Trance is not going downhill, its just evolving.. IMO

instead of epic buildups and breakdowns, we have seen elements from other genres, prog house tech techno psy etc..

This collaboration of different elements makes trance all the more intriguing.. Like TorontoTrance said..branch out into different genres of EDM, breaks and dnb or 2step even.. and see what that has to offer.

Come back to trance in about 6 months afterwards and see if it still sounds the same

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Originally posted by Cobalt Face it: the genre is simply drifting with no real artistic innovation. It's the same cookie-cutter sound rampantly dominating production. Nothing distinctive. I've been digging into pre-98 production because there isn't enough good new work to keep my addiction satisfied, er, I mean, as much good work as there used to be. To my surprise, I've found many older productions exceeding today's. This is not doom and gloom; trance has been declining since 2001, and people who say it isn't are lying to themselves or ignoring what trance used to be. I remember people prophesizing that Gabriel & Dresden would be the saviours, but the actual results have been marginal, particularly with the plethora of radio remixes. I've heard nothing of particular note, with rare exception, in the last six months. Six months! Can't someone do a Matt Darey, work his or her ass off and help the genre back on its feet? Oh, who am I kidding. This is part of a cycle, irreversible by talent. Inevitably there will be upswing, but no time soon, I think. PvD has gone downhill. The "second coming" of Matt Darey fizzled. BT has moved away into other artistic directions. Ferry's new sound isn't catching (even though I think it has promise). Lange and Armin are recycling. Tiesto is in a production hibernation (though his return may change things). Sasha almost never produces. ASOT is a wasteland. Do I feel alone? Am I just jaded? If not, what to do now? What promising artists do you think are out there in this desert?

alot of noobies on this board dont realize your words of wisdom

someone needs to knock matt darey aside his head

BTW

i honestly do think trance has gone to shit this year

only a handful of good tunes and subpar tunes by g&D

blackwatch/quivver-loveless was being hammered last yr..but only real good pure euphoric ala piledriver(amoebassasin) tune this yr

Cobalt, excellent thread, I think you feel the same way I do. However, through my search for something innovative the only worth-while thing i stumbled on is progressive. Flame away, I don't care.. but its true. I know I've been saying this for months on the forums, but all this Armin bullshit, Nu NRG, and PvD crap is just that.. crap.

Good DJs / producers that I have discovered in the world of progressive in past 6 months are:

Sultan - Prog House - Tracks: "Night Visions", "If You Only Knew", "Sarges (Version Two)" with Tonedepth

Infusion - Prog House/Trance - Tracks: [remixes] "Running Up That Hill", "Pagan Poetry", "Do What You Want". [original works] "Girls Are Cruel"

Rouzbeh Delavari - Prog House/Trance - Tracks: "About You" (I aready expressed how much I love this one), "No Inspiration" with Can [sets] Rouzbeh Delavari - Exposure 90 min Mix, Rouzbeh Delavari - Set For Progresia

And I also believe that Junkie XL is very innovative.

In trance realm.. we have Kai Tracid doing it for hard-trance, Marco V for tech-trance, and Holden keeping it cool for tech/prog trance.

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Originally posted by davedresden there is always great music and shit music around. dig deeper. have you ever tried listening to matt darey's records back to back? - dave

nightcrawlers-never knew love(matt darey remix) ..amazing



why oh why has matt darey been tranformed into a cheesy ferry corsten impersonator


tell me WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cobalt Face it: the genre is simply drifting with no real artistic innovation. It's the same cookie-cutter sound rampantly dominating production. Nothing distinctive. I've been digging into pre-98 production because there isn't enough good new work to keep my addiction satisfied, er, I mean, as much good work as there used to be. To my surprise, I've found many older productions exceeding today's. This is not doom and gloom; trance has been declining since 2001, and people who say it isn't are lying to themselves or ignoring what trance used to be. I remember people prophesizing that Gabriel & Dresden would be the saviours, but the actual results have been marginal, particularly with the plethora of radio remixes. I've heard nothing of particular note, with rare exception, in the last six months. Six months! Can't someone do a Matt Darey, work his or her ass off and help the genre back on its feet? Oh, who am I kidding. This is part of a cycle, irreversible by talent. Inevitably there will be upswing, but no time soon, I think. PvD has gone downhill. The "second coming" of Matt Darey fizzled. BT has moved away into other artistic directions. Ferry's new sound isn't catching (even though I think it has promise). Lange and Armin are recycling. Tiesto is in a production hibernation (though his return may change things). Sasha almost never produces. ASOT is a wasteland. Do I feel alone? Am I just jaded? If not, what to do now? What promising artists do you think are out there in this desert?

I agree 100%. It seems like I'm deleting almost every new tune I download these days. Like you I'm trying to discover older tunes I haven't heard of before, and I find much more quality that way. It's sad, but true.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Face it: the genre is simply drifting with no real artistic innovation. It's the same cookie-cutter sound rampantly dominating production. Nothing distinctive. I've been digging into pre-98 production because there isn't enough good new work to keep my addiction satisfied, er, I mean, as much good work as there used to be. To my surprise, I've found many older productions exceeding today's. This is not doom and gloom; trance has been declining since 2001, and people who say it isn't are lying to themselves or ignoring what trance used to be. I remember people prophesizing that Gabriel & Dresden would be the saviours, but the actual results have been marginal, particularly with the plethora of radio remixes. I've heard nothing of particular note, with rare exception, in the last six months. Six months! Can't someone do a Matt Darey, work his or her ass off and help the genre back on its feet? Oh, who am I kidding. This is part of a cycle, irreversible by talent. Inevitably there will be upswing, but no time soon, I think. PvD has gone downhill. The "second coming" of Matt Darey fizzled. BT has moved away into other artistic directions. Ferry's new sound isn't catching (even though I think it has promise). Lange and Armin are recycling. Tiesto is in a production hibernation (though his return may change things). Sasha almost never produces. ASOT is a wasteland. Do I feel alone? Am I just jaded? If not, what to do now? What promising artists do you think are out there in this desert?

get a fucking life...stop complaining about the music....let everyone here who is enjoying it better stufff....and 98,99 was good but dont exagerate..cuase if you hear alot of tune they sound weak compaired to today most sophiticated sound...

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pre 99 trance was very simplistic, nowadays the sounds are much more refined, sampling and musical software is better giving you more variety of sounds, and its much better quality. all this means that trance is much more diverse now than it was then.. so keep on listening to old tunes you've heard before, you are pretty much contradicting what you are saying...

btw, ASOT still kicks fuckin ass IMO

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Originally posted by jdjd pre 99 trance was very simplistic, nowadays the sounds are much more refined, sampling and musical software is better giving you more variety of sounds, and its much better quality. all this means that trance is much more diverse now than it was then.. so keep on listening to old tunes you've heard before, you are pretty much contradicting what you are saying... btw, ASOT still kicks fuckin ass IMO

werd!!!

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Originally posted by davedresden there is always great music and shit music around. dig deeper. have you ever tried listening to matt darey's records back to back? - dave

huh??? what do you mean???

Matt Darey has the most innovative and creative ideas around, well back then i mean. He always took a shit song and just threw quality over it, BUT he has taken a different approach to trance, just like every single other artist out there. Sorry i don't know if you were complimenting Darey or not, if not then you must definetly open your ears a bit more when listening to Darey tunes.

But yeah, i don't agree that trance is dying, it's just evolving to a different kind of trance. To some it's evolving to a complete waste and to others it's just reaching it's first level of excellence.

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It's all about trends and bandwagons...

Everyone thinking prog trance is the savior will soon be saying the same stuff we all say about trance now.

I do agree on some of your opinions though. Trance is just recycling itself with the same old stuff over and over, but that's the way all things in life work.

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Originally posted by siastyle Okay iv hurd the Album and lemmi tell you guyz.... Tiesto is gono make it back to the top again with these hits. The thing about it is that hes trying 2 bring a new style tho just like he did with Just be and it worked. they songs areunt TOO HIGHT up. but the vocals acaully are the best thing in 2007. The Track Carpe Noctum is like traffic but it hink he could of prefected the shit ouf it. but generalllyy its an amazing album...oh and Ten Seconds Before Sunrise is like Forever today TIMES 12