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Originally posted by paranoik0 i agree with john 00 fleming and nemesis, but the other way round makes you think too: if you always have to adapt your set to other genres, by opening up to different genre dj's, wouldn't you be losing your signature sound? like you're a trance dj, then you're forced to play prog, then in other ocasion you're forced to play breaks... isn't developing your own sound and style a good way to make yourself a name? so this wouldn't help. i think that developing your style and sticking with it is a lot better than just follow the market and play whatever's more popular at the time. perhaps the best thing is to adapt the style, but not too much, and simply don't accept to warm up for someone when you know you would be stretching your style too much for it to fit. (this coming from someone who isn't a dj and probably doesn't have a clue)

well, as Nem said, if the promoter is worth a turd, he'll try to get
a warmup DJ that fits the headliner. why in the name of satan would
they get a techno DJ to warm up for a progressive trance DJ? in cases
where there is a slight difference, well, adapt to it, you might be
broadening your horizons. you can play trancey breaks, or start trance
and end with some downtempo breakish stuff. mix & match, and most
important is to have fun. if you're hating it, chances are so is the
crowd.

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Originally posted by Inertia most important is to have fun. if you're hating it, chances are so is the crowd.

Now that is so darn true.

Sorry Inertia, got the wrong meaning out of your previous post so my bad. It's exactly as you say. Warm up means warm up not out do the headliner and close means close and so on. And on the whole you are right but if a DJ notices you trying to mess with their rep they will very much remember you.
Usually DJs of calibre in the UK will work out a deal for several appearances over a period of time, and it's usually the first thing they will mention to the promoter once their set is finished i.e. if they were happy with things as they were.

It's quite surprising what you can actually use to warm up for trance. It needn't just be proggy it can also be funky. And there is also a lot of damn fine music that isn't trance that will work really well.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 It's quite surprising what you can actually use to warm up for trance. It needn't just be proggy it can also be funky. And there is also a lot of damn fine music that isn't trance that will work really well.

I think this is really an important issue.. I don't stick my collection to trance, actually I have most of all the spectrum of EDM. And I don't know what all tracks have in common (except for the fact that I like them all of course) but I bought them because I identified myself with each of them. I have funky house, progressive trance, tribal, uplifting trance, hard trance, techno, techno-pop, and I'll be getting some breaks... don't stick to a genre, and whatever you spin, as long as it has your signature, you're ok I guess. Look at eddie halliwell, he spins a lot of different stuff and what they all have in common is energy. And take PvD's 3 hour set at XXL partynight or whatever that was, where he spun trance, house, techno... all of them are "PvD-like", they all have emotion and that typical "PvD" energy, and they have different tempos and are different styles! You just need to broaden your horizons and.. well.. have a lot of money
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Nemesis to me appears to be an extreamly professional DJ, keep it up

On the subject of spinning before tiesto, the crowd are there to see tiesto play "Tiesto" style tunes, not the warm up playing Tiesto's set forcing tiesto to play something he didnt really wanna play.

I think the main thing is for the promoter to program properly for example having a hard house dj warm up for Sasha wud be a stupid example but it gets my point about.

People want a good night, so advice to the warm up is don't spoil it be playing to fast to soon its like premature ejaculation, you just wanna sleep the rest of the night after its all over!

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Now that is so darn true. Sorry Inertia, got the wrong meaning out of your previous post so my bad. It's exactly as you say. Warm up means warm up not out do the headliner and close means close and so on. And on the whole you are right but if a DJ notices you trying to mess with their rep they will very much remember you. Usually DJs of calibre in the UK will work out a deal for several appearances over a period of time, and it's usually the first thing they will mention to the promoter once their set is finished i.e. if they were happy with things as they were. It's quite surprising what you can actually use to warm up for trance. It needn't just be proggy it can also be funky. And there is also a lot of damn fine music that isn't trance that will work really well. Cheers Nem

you make a great point, if a DJ is bad at warming up, or is purposely
trying to outdo the headliner, it makes a lot of sense the headliner
might complain. but simplifying my other posts, my philosophy is go
out and have fun doing what they hired you to do, and don't overthink
things. sure, stick to your role, but dont worry too much about it.

also, this country not being a very electronic music oriented, sees DJs every
now and then, rarely they make more than 1 appearance in a year, unless
they have a residency, but even thoes are 3-4 nights a year at max.

and i totally agree, the warmup spot can be used for trance, but i
also think it can be used for anything really. try techno, there is
a lot of laid back minimal techno, some experimental, some very dance-
able. you can do trance, house, prog, breaks, the only thing that can
limit a set is the DJ in my opinion. hell, no good DJ is good for just
anything. and just mixing tracks in the same style doesnt cut it anymore,
not to mention it can get quite boring. why must there be a war among
styles? it all revolves around rhythm, if you can mix it together
nicely and it sounds good, why not?

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big thank you to nem and j00f for all these words of wisdom, as an aspiring club dj i will take all of this to heart!

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Listen to Nemesis people, he knows what he is talking about. What Fleming says is so very true. I have seen many occasions where a DJ played what he liked before a headliner and later was blasted for his actions and ultimately lost out on other gigs. Sure it sucks ass we have to not play what we like or shit that is not our style but you have to do the time to get to that place just like every other DJ out there. I have a close friend DJ out here who would spin warm up sets for over a year even though his style is banging 145BPM+ trance anthems. He wanted so bad to blow it up but always paid the DJs the respect they deserve. Well guess what? Now HE is the headliner and gets to blow the roof off several times a month. He would NEVER have gotten there if he had just played whatever he liked. Now I'm moving into the position he used to be in, warming up. Sure its going to suck and I'm going to so badly wish I could drop bombs but I must be patient and respectful. If you do it all right, your time will come and you'll look back and be glad you paid your dues.

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it's very simple the warm up dj brings the party level from 0 to lets say 4 and the main dj will try to get the party level more up so thats from 4 up to 10 and when he's good he will hold it 10 until the end.

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