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Originally posted by LiquidX - OKay.. that investing into better houses comment was ignorant. People in the middle east, by cultural means, leave in this houses. True that they arent secure.. but this region is not an active earquake regin.- If it were an active eearthquake region, those kind of houses wouldnt have been built. Secondly, I saw this picture of a structure that is hold by centuries.. meaning that this kinds of earquaked were not expected.. unthought of. So it was full of nonsense investing money on making sure to make houses that would support earthquakes. If we talk on that sense, then the US gov't is the most dumm in here, knowing that California is spliting from the continent.. and that san diego or san francisco.. ( a major city ) lies in a whole.. that within any minute that whole city will disapear.. and is one of the most populated.. so dopey, dont talk crap shit really.. I cant believe you are making a debated out of earquakes.. damm. Every nation in the middle east ( yes even israel ) has this type of houses where people live in.. but thats not the point.. arrghh.. why arguing, just a little bit of common sense and logic.

Well said man,proved my point exactly,simply he is twisting the whole thing into a political debate!!

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I agree with Izzy, I know that I as an Israeli would have been proud to have Israel provide assitance to the Iranians, and I am sure my country would have even offered if an explict remark banning them from such assistance would not be made.

If it can let the United States, the "Big Satan" provide it with aid, and not the "little Satan" I see something very wrong about that. The US like Israel has no offical relations with Iran, and I do not see any problem when such a natrual disater resulting in lots of human lives lost results that Iran would allow themselves and the Israelis to prove their common humanity. Israel is perhaps the most advancely capable nation to offer Iran such assitance due simply to its location, had they been in better relations lives might have even been saved.

Its sad when one thinks about that.

Obviously there is indirect blame accountable to the Iranian government for this incident, and when 70% of a city's population is dead or wounded you will have both political and social upheaval after an earthquake like this follows, it will be interesting to see the role this earthquake will play beyoned the lives it has already taken.

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Originally posted by LiquidX If it were an active eearthquake region, those kind of houses wouldnt have been built. Secondly, I saw this picture of a structure that is hold by centuries.. meaning that this kinds of earquaked were not expected

there is a fault line there

youre an idiot.

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Originally posted by Dopey youre an idiot.

yup that would be you

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Originally posted by Dopey there is a fault line there youre an idiot.

There are fault lines everywhere you "IDIOT". Is that all you have to say?!?!.. you know that theres this huge volcano thats predicted to erupt somewhere in the Atlantic ocean, close to NYC.. that would cause a huge tidal wave.. why dont US govt invest on making a huge WALL to protect against tidal waves?!?!.. Oh No! Its wasting on the Military and war on Iraq.. all that mone could be sent to protect all this millions OF PEOPLE!! YES MILLIONS!!

pssh.. plz man.

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Mud Huts??, hmmm your retarded parents definetly dropped you on your head. Have you even read the news, properly...or do you just look at the points and just come and spread your shitty views on the boards. The earthquake happened on a 2000 year old area, Iranians compared to americans want to keep their ancient heritage intact and preserve it, it is not the governments or even the peoples fault. Please don't come here and think you know what your talking about dickhead.

Have you even seen the other parts of Iran before commenting about mud huts or some shit? ahhh i don't think so, your ignorance has spoken.

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Originally posted by Dopey And Dopey is my favorite dwarf

wow, no surprise there, you follow in his retard tradition.

and to say that Iran could have done more, what about 9/11, couldn't America do more for that...maybe build better buldings

rather than mourn about the people who are dead and the families who are grieving, you come here and practically say that Iran deserved it because they didn't do alot...pfft, ignorance.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis and to say that Iran could have done more, what about 9/11, couldn't America do more for that...maybe build better buldings

9/11
- under 3000 deaths
- has occured once in 10 million years
iran
- a shitload more deaths
- has occured a shitload of times in 10 million years

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Originally posted by Psygnosis rather than mourn about the people who are dead and the families who are grieving, you come here and practically say that Iran deserved it because they didn't do alot...pfft, ignorance.

instead of quoting my dwarf preference why don't you quote somthing I wrote to support that accusation.

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Originally posted by Dopey there is a fault line there youre an idiot.

how profound!

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Originally posted by Dopey 9/11 - has occured once in 10 million years

there werent planes ten million years ago.

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Originally posted by Dopey iran - a shitload more deaths - has occured a shitload of times in 10 million years

wow. incredably descriptive. 'a shitload'...

instead of resorting to childish name-calling, why dont you posts more intellegent replies in this forum?

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in all fairness to the Americans, they are building better buildings now since Sept 11th, even retarding the erection of new skyscrappers till they are confident they can withstand such attacks.

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Originally posted by Dopey you're saying that Iran has never provided any kind of support for Hezbollah?? I wan't to see you actually say that.

Yes and NO!

The Persian government who was selected by the American government was a terrorist and made people into terrorist...but how can the Iranian people be in support of terrorism when they hate terrorism themselves...

can you tell me what attacks Iran has done to any country for personal purposes??

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First, I just want to say how tragic and horrible this entire situation is. I can't even imagine losing 80 of my relatives and all my immediate family in a day. I think it's great that the Americans (despite the "axis of evil" crap), and so many other coutries have sent aid and rescuers.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Mud Huts??, hmmm your retarded blah blah

The wording of his comment was a bit disrespectful to the Iranians, but he does have a point about their building practices. According to the Guardian, many of the houses were built using mud and shoddy construction.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1113553,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1112938,00.html

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Dangerous buildings, lax rules: why Bam death toll was so high Tania Branigan and Brian Whitaker Saturday December 27, 2003 The Guardian Many of those killed by the earthquake in Bam died only because of poor building methods and a lack of proper regulation, an expert on the devastated city said yesterday. In Iran, as in many developing countries, tremors that ought to be survivable often bring human tragedy on a vast scale because buildings collapse on top of people. Two days before Christmas, California was struck by an earthquake similar in magnitude to the one that hit Iran yesterday, but only three people died, thanks largely to safer construction methods. Bam, in contrast, was a disaster waiting to happen. Efforts to bring industrial development to what was a backward agricultural area caused a population boom and a shortage of housing, which local builders tried to meet with cheap, jerry-built homes, or by adding extra floors to existing houses. "Many buildings collapse [even] without earthquakes, because of the poor construction," said Professor Mohsen Aboutorabi of the architecture department at the University of Central England, Birmingham, who has worked in Bam. "There are building regulations, but they haven't been enforced except for highrises. People are desperately in need of housing so the authorities overlook the code of building for earthquakes." Much of the building work is done by property owners themselves, using untrained local labour. There has also been little research into low-cost techniques to protect buildings in the area against earthquakes, he added. Building materials are often inadequate for normal purposes, let alone for use in an earthquake zone. Typical houses are constructed of burnt brick, with mud and lime for the bonding. "On my last trip to Iran I banged two bricks together and they became like powder. Demand for materials is so high that manufacturers don't stick to any standards," Prof Aboutorabi said. "The cost of cement is very high, so they don't use much." Ideally, houses in earthquake-prone regions should have lightweight pitched roofs, closely bonded together, he said. But builders in Bam had largely abandoned the use of corrugated metal - which would be suitable - because of short supplies and a belief that it does not last long. Instead, they used industrial materials without understanding their properties, he said. This results in lethally heavy roofs and ceilings. Many roofs are supported by metal beams between traditional brick arches. On top of that they put a layer of concrete and waterproofing. "The ends of the beams sit freely on the walls, so with any shake, if one goes, the whole roof collapses," Prof Aboutorabi said. Although Bam had few tall buildings, in recent years the high cost of land had encouraged families to abandon the traditional style of single-storey homes, with rooms set around a courtyard, in favour of two or three floors, adding to the danger in the event of an earthquake. Despite the lack of safety precautions, the Iranian authorities are well-accustomed to dealing with the aftermath of earthquakes. Their response yesterday was swift, though hampered by the loss of telephone contact with the city. This may bring relief to the survivors, but the more serious problem is a lack of sustained efforts to prevent future tragedies. "They may create a policy after a disaster, but it's never implemented," Prof Aboutorabi said. "Six months after a disaster they forget it - it just happens again."

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