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Originally posted by Mebot Me personally, i think Trance does sound different and it looks like its going in a very promising direction.

best words i've read on the MANY topics that get posted about this.

then again, if it wasn't for the internet, noone would have anyone to bitch to.

if you really want to get somewhere with this, try finding a dnb site or something. they'll have plenty to bitch about.

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i just get frustrated when some one says "not that crappy techno music again"

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Originally posted by Streakfury But then I've always wondered how a genre of music that's used the same three instruments (lead guitar, bass guitar and drums) for last 40 years doesn't sound reptitive.

You'd think it would, but it doesn't.

And I can think of a couple of reasons: Emphasis on the chord progression, melody and lyrics; which change with each song....and changes in microphone/recording technique.

And having live players makes things "breathe" a bit more, so there's a bit more variety from one bar to the next.



Case in point: a little experiment of mine.

click here for audio sample, trance track in progress



Instead of just the usual 909 business, I tried overdubbing live miked drums. I'm not sure anyone else has done this, since most producers aren't drummers. The kick is programmed, I've added a live hi-hat, and live snare, toms and cymbals, and prgrammed some extra percussion on top. Sounds a bit disco-ish, but it's a different sound.

Last edited by Taz on Jan-24-2004 at 08:10

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Originally posted by Taz Case in point: a little experiment of mine. click here for audio sample, trance track in progress Instead of just the usual 909 business, I tried overdubbing live miked drums. I'm not sure anyone else has done this, since most producers aren't drummers. The kick is programmed, I've added a live hi-hat, and live snare, toms and cymbals, and prgrammed some extra percussion on top. Sounds a bit disco-ish, but it's a different sound.

wow, it is sounding really fresh! but the weirdest part is the drums

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor However, that being said, I don’t think that trance has made a whole lot of progress. Yes, there are some good tunes/producers which go out to break the rules, but how many billions of tunes are there that follow the introduction, massive long breakdown, snares/synths, main part, outro tried and tested pattern? Shed loads.

Aye, but that's hardly anything new is it, just like it's hardly anything new(although true) to say that there are many tracks out there that try something different, you just have to dig deeper to find them.

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Anyone who says that rock hasn't changed for 40 years is so stuck up their own elitist arse they can floss their own teeth. In fact, rock has changed significantly over the last 10 years, but as you're all so above all that with your digital music you won't have noticed.

Idiots.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Anyone who says that rock hasn't changed for 40 years is so stuck up their own elitist arse they can floss their own teeth. In fact, rock has changed significantly over the last 10 years, but as you're all so above all that with your digital music you won't have noticed. Idiots.

*sigh*
Why don't you get your head off your ass and try to read what was written.

The basics of the tunes haven't changed anywhere. A rock stune still forms from drums, bass, guitar and optional instruments/singing. Also, the song structures are pretty much the same. Sure, the parts may vary and the music may sound different but essentially it's still the same. Now this doesn't mean rock sucks, but quite the opposite.

Trance is exactly the same. If you look at the surface you'd think nothing was changed, yet there has been significant progress. It's just that people have pigeonholed them to be something else than trance.

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By your logic, all music has gone nowhere since the genres were first formed.

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the parts may vary and the music may sound different

This line basically shoots you in the foot, as you're saying "sure, my example may not be valid". You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not a rock fan at all so don't think I'm attacking you purely for slating rock- I don't own any rock music.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J By your logic, all music has gone nowhere since the genres were first formed. This line basically shoots you in the foot, as you're saying "sure, my example may not be valid". You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not a rock fan at all so don't think I'm attacking you purely for slating rock- I don't own any rock music.

Sure, if it makes you feel better.
I have no need to explain myself further since you're obviously not even trying to understand what I'm trying to say.

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You are saying that at a base level rock is still the same, while on the surface it has changed, then you contradict yourself by saying the same applies to trance and highlighting exactly why its the opposite. Your line of arguing is bullshit, for reasons I've already pointed out.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Aye, but that's hardly anything new is it, just like it's hardly anything new(although true) to say that there are many tracks out there that try something different, you just have to dig deeper to find them.

Fair enough, but I do feel other genres seem to make a lot more progress than Trance.