its implied that because your posting on a tuesday youve had a big weekend, taken lots of drugs, and you feel like shit now because of the come down.

Id just like to bring up a point first raised by the late prophet Bill Hicks......

Ecstacy is a drug that is responsible for a handful of deaths each year (if its more than 50 deaths a year in oz i'd be VERY suprised, but lets say 100 just to be safe), so ecstacy is resposnible for 100 deaths a year directly and is SUSPECTED (not proven) of causing long term damage...

Tobacco is a drug that is PROVEN (not just suspected) to KILL about 75% of smokers in later life through cancer, emphesema, etc. That means about 50,000 people a year die from tobacco DIRECTLY! The cost of looking after these people as they die runs into the billions for our hospitals!

Now tell me which one you honestly think is doing the most damage to our society??? I think its a pretty easy choice....

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Yes there are a lot of negative aspects to our scene due to drug use... However its only the media's portrayal that makes our scene stand out more so then the pubbing scene, the smoking scene, etc...

I think if you look at the clubbing scene in australia its actually quite a safe and responsible scene, there are always the odd individuals that get overly mashed and make fools of themselves but this happens in any scene (how many times have you seen that in a pub?)

But i think your right about the rave scene Paulie, raves dont really attract the sort of people that attend for the music (its kinda hard to sit back and enjoy music when its up about 160bpm imho). People go to raves to get mashed - not everyone of course but i do think its niave to belive that less then 50% of the crowd at a RAVE is their for any other reason but to get mashed.... its part of the reason i stopped attending raves.... I just wish the media would stop grouping both clubs and raves into the same basket....

I dont have any solutions on how to fix this aspect of the scene, but it would be good if the only way you could get into a rave was if you answered a question about the music!! What was the 3rd track on Global Underground 005??? anyone???

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Originally posted by tathi Repetitive music ranging between 45 - 72 beats per minute (close to heartbeat) /end rant

i often find the music too hard and fast these days, but 70bpm is just a little to far the other way.
like many things, drugs and raves are fine if you do it cos it's fun, bad if you have to do it to unwind or operate.

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Originally posted by lethal What was the 3rd track on Global Underground 005??? anyone???

on CD1 it is:
Natural Born Grooves - Forunners (GU005 - Tony de Vit)

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anyone saying that taking drugs isnt doing long term or short term damage to people are kidding themselves. Yes it hasnt been 100% proven, but neither was cigarettes for a while.

and just because something might not be as damaging as something else, doesn't make it okay!!!! i just get sick of the whole "other drugs are okay, cos alcohol and tobacco do more damage" argument.........just because something may be the lesser of 2 evils, doesn't make it okay in my book.......

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Okay. I think it's fair to say raves were basically invented with certain substances in mind. That doesn't mean you MUST get mashed if you go to one. But, be prepared to accept that most do.

Meeting new people? I met my ex-girlfriend at a rave, and together at other events we've met many people who we don't see again, but also four of whom we interact with in our daily, non-raving lives. Hell, they even came to our Christmas party!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I play it as safe as possible when I attend an event on Ecstacy. Reliable source, road test, test kit, no big doses, no over-exertion. I insist on the same from anyone else I know at that event.

Also, I highly doubt Ecstacy kills 50 Australians a year. In this country... you could probably could the number on one or two hands for all time, not just a year.

That doesn't mean it's safe, but again you can count on many of those deaths occuring due to other substances in the pill, or a heat-related incident.

And, I'm afraid I'm going to have to be another person who says it's just an alternative to drinking... you can take that on board or not, but drinking in a top-40 club and rolling at a rave are more similar than you think... just that one happens to be shittier music and the other is using a controlled substance

I respect people's views and will not push them if they want to be straight at a rave. Perhaps some of you on the other side of the fence should do the same.

Raves will always be seen as parties with illegal drugs and underground dance music... because that's what they were originally intended to be. But you make it what you want it to be.

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Originally posted by escee anyone saying that taking drugs isnt doing long term or short term damage to people are kidding themselves. Yes it hasnt been 100% proven, but neither was cigarettes for a while.

I think if they were as dangerous as cigarettes or alcohol then it would be known by now - pills have been around long enough for the effects to be seen in the older generation.

To my mind, pills are a lot like pot, in that recreational/casual use (I'm talking once/twice a month sort of usage) isn't going to do you significant long-term damage. But people who've taken 5 pills a night, twice a week, every week for 10 years, they're more than likely turning their brains into mush.

Everything in moderation.

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Originally posted by Paulie The frightening thing also is we have no known effects of the drug. That dont scare anyone?

There is some known effects. New studies suggest it can cause long term anxiety and memory loss which is nothing new for drugs. But also because of what it's doing to your neurons and the excessive release of serotonin it's suspected that it may lead to chronic depression later in life which can't be treated with anti-depressents due to the fact it's causes are different to natural depression. I don't really understand it all that much - never liked neuro psych

science used to say thalidamide was safe. you could get paranoid about the unknown in any substance. Can we be sure the cheese in your fridge isn't going to come to life and strangle you?
not too many of the people here are unaware of the warnings going around about possible consequences. We make an informed choice to do, or not, something which we may enjoy. You could apply the same logic to any dangerous activity.
for most people it's a relatively safe balance, some it goes over the top. you choose exactly which point in the spectrum is right for you.

i believe it does to some damage, especially memory loss etc..

But there are a lot of other things i have done that wont help this, including get so drunk its not funny! It actually scares me thinking back to my teen days when i dont remember a thing wake up the next morning cuts and bruises etc.. all over me all be cause i was drunk at being stupid... still dont know what happened a few of those times

anyways..... a few people i know have been doing it for like 10 years! Its really amazing to see how some of them you would never have thought have touched the stuff and function normally (and this is after heavy use, like every weekend etc..) and well one guy is a fruitloop but he may have always been like that Obviously they have slowed down now as they are around the age of 30.

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so you've looked at available info on drinking, decided your comfortable zone is not getting totally trashed. same thing really. some people know all the info and still drink.
lots of people notice the memory loss, but also notice that once they stop the memory improves. Kind of like smoking, you health improves when you stop, but you never totally recover from the damage.
personally, i'm more worried about the damage i'm doing to my hearing. it seems much more noticable and permamnent.