haha drug-tito ur last statement cracked me up...the thing is there have been a bunch of these threads lately..and people seem to repeat the stuff..if u had hard evidence or if i did..we wouldnt be having this conversation...in all the debates about the topic..i didnt even read a single post that makes me go hmmmm..i wonder...and i read the same posts said by others already so it gets kinda old u know what i mean..fact of the matter is there is not a single thing i can say that convince u..even if i come with hard evidence like a pic of me n jesus u will say thats an imposter..

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Originally posted by tranceaholic haha drug-tito ur last statement cracked me up...the thing is there have been a bunch of these threads lately..and people seem to repeat the stuff..if u had hard evidence or if i did..we wouldnt be having this conversation...in all the debates about the topic..i didnt even read a single post that makes me go hmmmm..i wonder...and i read the same posts said by others already so it gets kinda old u know what i mean..fact of the matter is there is not a single thing i can say that convince u..even if i come with hard evidence like a pic of me n jesus u will say thats an imposter..

Man, I'd love to have a pic with Jesus! You lucky ducky!

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I see nothing wrong with Mel Gibson's movie. The Jewish Priests and those that believed Jesus was a liar, demanded his crucifixion from Pilate. Pilate was reluctant and found Jesus not guilty of anything. This is what is says in the Bible. It doesn't matter how ruthless or cruel Pilate was, he still told the crowd "I don't see this man guilty of anything". If Mel Gibson distorts this to please Jews, THEN I will see something wrong with this movie.

Understanding the true meaning of the crucifixion tells you that everyone was responsible for His death. Not merely Jews or Romans, but everyone. He knew He was sent to die. He died for a reason. That reason is SIN. And everyone sinned.

Since when was Jesus perceived as a threat to Roman rule? I never actually read that he was a threat to the Empire in the Bible. Is it an assumption? Or recorded somewhere else? But it's not in the Bible. Again, Pilate didn't find him guilty of anything.

If this movie is percieved as anti-semitic, then the Bible is anti-semitic too.

It's nice to see the Bible being accused of being anti-semitic. That makes both Bible and Qur'an.

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Its pathetic how the Jews complain about this film being "anti-semitic"...while its okay for them to make ancient Egyptians look like evil, whip-happy slave oppressors.

I guess everything non-jew is "anti-semitic"....its getting really lame.

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Right, debating with all you educated lot is very weird for me, coz this is one of the few posts that i make in this forum.

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Well, he didn't start out as a powerful warrior. Similar to early christians, he just told the masses what they wanted to hear.

From what i can remember, Jesus was not a violent man at all. When he came, everyone wanted him to be violent, go out and get an army, and save everyone. THis means then he couldnt have shown them what they wanted to hear?

Also, allot of people have been talking about evidence? I know you do not regard the Bible is evidence, but then what exactly could be used? Could Jesus had put down something in the ground for Archiologists to descover in the 21st century to prove to everyone?

Religion is faith. God gave everyone free will to choose how they live their life. Whether you believe in him is your choice But God doesn't need to say, look, they dont believe, lets MAKE them believe.

Science is all about evidence, Catholicisim, is about faith, as all religions ( i think lol). It is very hard to use one against the other.

Also, someone said Signs was shit?? what u on about, i loved that movie lol. I heard that this will be not in english (gibsons latest film) with subtitles? this true? I will go see it, whens it released?

did real Jew actors fill the roles of Jews in the movie?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Its pathetic how the Jews complain about this film being "anti-semitic"...while its okay for them to make ancient Egyptians look like evil, whip-happy slave oppressors. I guess everything non-jew is "anti-semitic"....its getting really lame.

what does ancient egyptians have to do in the movie? are they portrayed in it?

I hope the film answers my question about Jesus and the last supper... was is it kosher!?!

Mel Gibson was interviewed by Diane Soyer on TV on the Passion of Christ. I saw it yesterday on TV.

I wanna see the movie, it looks quite disturbing and bloody. As for the Christian context, i dont give a shit, im not religious.

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Originally posted by Palestinian everyone was responsible for His death. Not merely Jews or Romans, but everyone. He knew He was sent to die. He died for a reason. That reason is SIN. And everyone sinned.

Cool, so I am responsible for the death of a raving lunatic who probably never even existed? I feel so privileged!

Tranceaholic, this isn't about the Bible. The bible was not written during Jesus' lifetime, and even if it had been, it contains to much bullshit that it's impossible to take it seriously. I'm yet to see you address a single point from my post, which primarily dealt with reputable first hand sources from the supposed time of Jesus. If Jesus did what he is claimed to have done in the bible, then he would have been included in the historical records of the day. I have yet to see any evidence of that. Unless you are willing to address my points, then quite frankly I don't see the point of discussing this.

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Yeah the movie does look bloody. Is it rated R? It doesn't look like a movie for kids.

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Originally posted by DR86 yeah...he is old... but he'd know if it's accurate considering he is God's messanger to Earth. The idea is that he, along with all the high cardinals have studied theology for a VERY long time, and all know the correct history

As a former Catholic, I'm going to say screw them all for covering up those thousands of cases of sexual abuse of children.


They need regime change in the Catholic Church, and the people of their church deserve nothing less.

There are plenty of more open-minded Christian and other faith denominations that aren't governed by greedy, power-hungry, authoritarians for people to join.

They should sell their gold plated chairs and help the poor with the money.

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Originally posted by Palestinian Since when was Jesus perceived as a threat to Roman rule? I never actually read that he was a threat to the Empire in the Bible. Is it an assumption? Or recorded somewhere else? But it's not in the Bible. Again, Pilate didn't find him guilty of anything.

Well, Jesus himslef in his early days wasn't percieved as much of a threat to the romans as well as he was to the jewish rulers. Rome was pretty much filled with various cults, and although it had an official religion, the state authorities did not interfere much with local cults unless they opposed the roman rule. Later on, as the movement grew, it became obvious that its foundations are generally opposed to the established system of government. Hence the slaughtering of christians in arenas of which you've surely heard about.

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