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*Rewind*
Okay, first of all I never even came close to saying that people can't get any meaning out of trance. Of course they can, and from what many of you are saying, many of you guys do get a lot of meaning out of it. This is fine, but it still doesn't mean that there is anything inherently special about trance. People can get the same sort of meaning from house-music, classical music, new-age music etc. as well, but does that mean that there is anything inherently special about these types of music? Do you guys get chills when you listen to Roger Sanchez, Johan Sebastian Bach or Yanni? I'm guessing that the majority of you don't, but the point is many people do. All I'm trying to say, is that it is arrogant to assume that just because you enjoy and feel special about a certain type of music, that you are necessarily right, and are tapped into a higher sense of consciousness than people who don't listen to your genre of music.
If you get a sense of meaning or an emotional response from music then that's fantastic, but don't expect everyone else to feel the same way. Regardless of what you think, all your life (including your personality and with that your tastes in music, movies, food, women etc.) has been shaped by your experiences. Your life may have turned out in such a way that your total sum of experiences have amounted to you having a deep passion for trance music, science fiction movies, cheese sandwitches and blonde women, but it could have just as easily, given the right circumstances, developed you into a person who loved Opera music, romantic movies, grilled pepper steak and brunette women. Can you see what I mean about the subjectivity of taste?
Now I do not have a stick up my arse just because I don't think there's anything inherently special about trance (if there was, every human being on the planet would be listening to it right now). I enjoy listening to trance music, but that certainly doesn't mean that I have to assume that it's objectively the best type of music in the world just because I happen to enjoy it. Every human being has their own tastes, none are right or wrong. Don't even try to argue that they are.
Having said that, you have to be doing things for the right reason, and if you're listening to music just to be cool, then, well, you've got problems. I know what you're saying about many of these people who listen to R'n'B. We have them here in Australia too. They all just lounge around in the r'n'b room, drinking fancy drinks, trying their best to impress everyone else in the room. I'm not saying that there isn't anyone in the room who doesn't feel for the music, but they're certainly in the minority. I've always said that r'n'b is pop music for people who reckon they're the shit, basically because both forms of music are middle of the road, and I can only assume that the majority of people who listen to these forms of music are only doing so because the local radio dj told them that it was the thing to do. Having said that, if people do (for some reason) get some sort of meaning from these kinds of music then I applaud them, and would encourage them to continue listening to it, but at the same time I can only reproach those who listen to these types of music just to fit in socially (though maybe the feeling of being able to fit in socially is how people get their meaning from these types of music?).
| quote: | | I think that this music is holding us together when the "MAN" is doing everything to destroy our culture. This music brings us together. |
That was exactly the kind of crap that the grunge culture used to spit out, but does that make their music any more unifying objectively? What ever happened to the grunge culture anyway?
I'll give you a hint: they all grew up, got jobs on wall-street and started families. For all their defiance, and "passion" for their music, they moved on suprisingly quickly, and the grunge culture is now as good as dead (here in Aus anyway). But try telling them that 10 years ago and they wouldn't have believed you. Their music was just as full of passion as ours is, they were just as unified as we are, so certain that their music was the only right one, the one true genre. But it died. Within the space of a decade practically. Now all these guys probably listen to Vivaldi and Enya on their way to their cushy office jobs, their passion for the grunge culture dead and buried. My point here is, is that everyone is so certain that what they believe in is right, and the only possible way, but tastes are subjective and keep on changing. If trance is still around in 10 years, I can only wonder what percentage of you are still listening to it then.
| quote: | | If the rest of the world would just listen to the music,And I'm not talking about throwing it on the cd player and just say wow that sounds neat, I am talking about sitting in the dark at night, closing your eyes, rest your head and then let the music take you to your own little space in time. This is how we undestand the music. We let the music take us away. And thats what they need to do. To understand the music, you must become the music. Flow with the beat. Let the sounds and vibrations pulse through your body. Nobody will understand untill they realize what they are missing. |
False causality. It's not the music that makes people happy, it's the subjective meaning they attach to it themselves. Fans of new-age music do exactly the same thing, but it doesn't mean that new-age music on its own is so special that it has the ability to stop wars or to unify races. It can only acheive this if everyone attaches their own subjective meaning to it. All these new-age fans, however, would be sitting in a darkened corner, listeing to their music and saying "those guys who listen to trance don't know what they're missing". No genre, inherently, though, is so special that it has the ability to make absolutely everyone feel good. You can attach meaning to any form of music that you like, the fact that trance makes you feel that way is just the way you've turned out after all your life experiences. A slightly different set of experiences, though, and you might have been saying exactly the same things about new-age music.
| quote: | | Don't underestimate the power of the mind cause you are forgetting that most of us only use 10% of it. |
Just thought I'd point out that we use virtually 100% of our brains. Maybe only ten percent of it at any given time (depending on what sort of activities we're involved in) but you'd probably use close to 100% of it in any given day. Where's my evidence for this? Go and look at a reading of activity inside someone's head (i.e. a CAT scan or something similar). If 30-40% of someone's brain isn't active at any given time, I'll eat my hat. Consciousness isn't something that is permanent, it is constantly changing, and performing exactly the same activity twice will result in wildly different brain patterns.
| quote: | | Ok Miss Proximus let me give you something to think about, the normal hearing range is 20hz-20000 ok, you are not hearing anything out side that range are you, right, but if your range would go higher or low you would be able to hear things that other people can't, right. |
Again, this just underlines my point about the sunbjectivity of taste. If our hearing range was only slightly different, we'd be listening to vastly different forms of music, and finding these forms of music every bit as special as we find trance.
| quote: | | I don't think so Miss Proximus, it has a lot to do with the mind and how it works, certain triggers cause a response to make you feel in a way or see things. |
Exactly my point. Whatever repsonses the music triggers are what gives music its meaning, not the music itself. 
Any type of music is capable of triggering some sort of favourable response inside your head: trance, classical, new-age, whatever. It doesn't mean that there is anything at all special about these forms of music, it just that due to the experiences that people have, different forms of music trigger different reaction as the people mature. While Michael Jackson may have formed a favourable response inside your head when you were 10, trance may form a similar response now, and by the time you turn 35 it could be classical music that makes you feel special. If any of these forms of music were absolutely special, we'd all be listening to it, and everyone would love it, from age 3-300.
Anyway, I certainly don't want to offend anyone here, if your views are different to mine then I respect that, I don't want to start a fight. All I wanted to do was to point out how arrogant it is to assume that your own perspective must be absolutely right, and that it must be a deficiency in other people if they don't see the world the way that you do. This is how wars start.
Anyways, peace.
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so please, stop acting like you're jesus 
