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Originally posted by arctic Yes, but I was never talking about the movie. I'm assuming that your comment about the movie was made under the assumption that my reference to Mel was in regards to the portrayal of Jews in the film. If not, then I'm lost.

I was talking about the film, I don't really care who directed it. It's like saying Lord of the Rings was going to suck or be pro-zombie because Peter "Mr. LOL Dead Alive" Jackson directed it. Like I said in the other thread I thought Passion of Christ was boring, and don't really care for it. I saw nothing anti-semitic in the movie, even the part where the devil is next to the jews (which everyone is making a big deal about), as he was next to the romans and jesus followers as well.

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Originally posted by albertoR Popes in past centuries have been very corrupt. John Paul II is a great exception from former Popes and in my opinion he has been a very good Pope, am i wrong?

I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote:

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first of all, the Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies him as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible.

This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it.

Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another).

So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote: This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it. Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another). So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

Furthermore, it's a flawed argument because if one were to believe that past popes were succeptible to human errors, sins, and flaws (greed, envy, etc.) then at no point could you ever be certain that a current or future pope is exempt from similar human weaknesses. Yet somehow, organized religion manages to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with respects to this glaring logical error in belief.

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'Passion' Fan Spends Life Savings On Movie Tickets 'Access Hollywood' Hooks Gibson Up With Texas Man POSTED: 2:21 p.m. EST February 27, 2004 UPDATED: 2:42 p.m. EST February 27, 2004 The syndicated entertainment news show "Access Hollywood" put a surprised Mel Gibson on the phone with Arch Bonnema, the Plano, Texas, man who purchased 6,000 tickets at a price of $42,000 to Gibson's film, "The Passion of The Christ" so that fellow parishioners at his local Baptist church, theology students and other could see the film. Gibson, who had not yet heard about Bonnema's $42,000 ticket purchase, said it was "amazing" that someone would do something so selfless. The rest of the story and details of the conversation is available on the "Access Hollywood" Web site. Distributed by Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

What a loser! The guy paid the retail $7 a ticket for 6000 tickets (42000/6000=7), obviously this guy is no Jew.

I mean the guy could probably get a volume discount at the very least, and build his own little private cinema and buy the movie from the studio for that price at best.

What an idiot, he got screwed over big time!

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Passion tickets bear 'mark of the beast' ROME, Georgia (AP) --Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy. The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers. The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price. "It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer." In the Bible, the book of Revelation says 666 is the "number of the beast," usually interpreted as Satan or the Antichrist. Several patrons have made comments about the numbers, and one person who was uncomfortable having 666 on her ticket asked for a pass to be substituted for a ticket. "A lot of people have asked what the numbers mean, some said it seemed odd, some said it was inappropriate," said theater employee Erica Diaz. The movie, which opened Wednesday, is a bloody depiction of Christ's final hours and crucifixion. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03...n.ap/index.html

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Originally posted by Yoepus What a loser! The guy paid the retail $7 a ticket for 6000 tickets (42000/6000=7), obviously this guy is no Jew. I mean the guy could probably get a volume discount at the very least, and build his own little private cinema and buy the movie from the studio for that price at best. What an idiot, he got screwed over big time!

And once again, Darwin triumphs over religion.

/if it weren't for that damned welfare system

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Quote: I believe you misunderstand his argument. In accordance to your quote: first of all, THE Pope is God's representant on Earth according to some christians and catholics. Im sure that qualifies HIM as knowing more than anyone who picked up the bible. End Quote This would by definition imply that every Pope since the beginnings of the Catholic Church were God's representant, as you put it. Church history has shown, however, that the Pope's decisions were not exactly very Christian, nor would they seem very good representants of God's will. The persecution of the Jews is but one example (persecution of science and logic would be another). So just because this Pope has made some better sound decisions doesn't allow the other Popes to come off scot free - if they are God's representant, then it follows that God has some prejudices and racism to answer to.

Notice the words THE and HIM, i took the liberty of bolding them on my quote and capitalize them so they are clear. They are obviously refering to the current one as also the word "Pope" is singular instead of Popes which is the plural and therefore would include the former representatives.
Times have changed from the times you refer to as corrupt priests and popes. I believe since America was discovered, the Catholic church has less influence, power, and corruption. Due to the amount of protestant religions that were formed because of the Catholic's church corruption from earlier times.
In any case, im talking about how they showed the movie to John Paul II and HE said it was extremely accurate. I would believe the highest ranking representative of God would know how accurate the plot of "The Passion of the Christ" is. Then again, no one can be sure what is accurate if there is no proof other than the bible and the visions of religious sources.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Ha! I should have suspected ol' Beezlebub was behind it all!:

that mofo is behind everything that goes wrong