you know for damn sure he doesnt like dj tiesto. the thing i want to know, why the hell did he buy the dvd lol.. and the the live performances were lip sync? fkin right. lsiten agian

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We don't need another Tiesto vs. the world thread. Ok so ur saying that the concert sucked and that the tracklist was completely planned in order?

Right mate.... *rolls eyes*

This guy can say all he wants but he wasn't there. If he can't feel the atmopshere himself he shouldn't tell others its shit as well and let them decide on their own. I wish I was there, but watching the DVD I get goosebumps. I just wonder how great the whole thing must of been...

And I wouldn't just go to the concert for the music. I can have that at any party/club to dance or just at home to listen, but I would go to see Tiesto (or any other big DJ) spin these tracks.

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It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

Ohh, owned me on the forums so bad man... now you can tell your friends at school tommorrow.

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Originally posted by aeonik yes the dvd was an abomination, but let us not forget what the man has done for us. so what, he sold out the scene and it is a tragedy, but it was bound to happen, but the music that he has made definately made my life better and lots of other people too. so dont include the dvd as one of your favs. just appreciate he goodness he had given us before his fall.

Oh, sure. This is just bashing his commerical DJ career. I still think Tiesto is an excellent producer who has brought trance a long way through his tracks.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Sigh, dont u guys have anything better to do. It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

Yeah, I have better things to do. But I don't want a bunch of people blindly worshipping a DJ to become the culture of the music I love. Trance isn't about that.

This isn't about the party experience. I don't really care if people had a great time. People have great times at Britney Spears concerts. This is about the shameless perversion of the music important to me into a profitable rock-star idolatry.

Trance is about the journey and the experience, not who's spinning the records, though the two may correlate. I like certain DJs, but only because they craft that experience well; it's never just about the DJ, and shouldn't be. That loses the very essence of this music. Tiesto In Concert, in concept, flew in the face of trance itself.

Is it really that difficult to understand? Oh, Christ, why do I bother. Go listen to A State of Trance or something.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

pretty damn important when your playing trance if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Ste pretty damn important when your playing trance if you ask me.

What does that have to do with anything? (This isn't a debate about Tiesto's mixing skills just to clear that up)

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper What does that have to do with anything? (This isn't a debate about Tiesto's mixing skills just to clear that up)

you said since when was it all about beatmatching, its pretty much al about about beatmatching, if you cant beatmatch the mix is shit. simple as. unless you meant something else>

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He's a good dj , he's a good businesman. He has a great career that he can feed himself. End of story.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

And what exactly did Tiesto do other than that?

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Of course it was crafted and planned out with commercial intents, every event is. That's not the point.

Right, it's not. The point is that it was called (and ruthlessly marketed) as "Tiesto In Concert." Tiesto Tiesto Tiesto. More shots of Tiesto. Screw the set or the flow. It's Tiesto.

That's not trance. That's worship.

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The point was that Ishkur obviously hasn't done his research since a) all the live PAs were NOT lip-synched (which we got horrendously aware of after Andain's PA and like mentioned after Dinand Westerhoeff)

This is true. But I never claimed to agree to that, and it doesn't change the central points he is making.

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Originally posted by Ste you said since when was it all about beatmatching, its pretty much al about about beatmatching, if you cant beatmatch the mix is shit. simple as

That's true, but if you can beatmatch but know fuck all about structuring and record selection, it wil also be shit. So you see, mixing is not all about beatmatching.

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Originally posted by Cobalt And what exactly did Tiesto do other than that?

Actually, his structuring was better than his beatmatching that evening (even though both of them were sub-par as usual )

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Right, it's not. The point is that it was called (and ruthlessly marketed) as "Tiesto In Concert." Tiesto Tiesto Tiesto. More shots of Tiesto. Screw the set or the flow. It's Tiesto. That's not trance. That's worship.

That I agree with.

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Well, well, well. I was on the 10th of May last year at this damn concert. You had to be there to feel the good vibe all around there. That's it !

The crowd went crazy on Kane because most of the crowd loves old eurotrance (alice deejay...), loves rock'n'roll (a la robbie williams) and loves of course trance music... there was no difference between a robbie williams show and that part of the 'concert'.

Yes, I find the DVD fucking boring, but I find it interesting because it's like a souvenir of what was possible in year 2003. Who knows how will turn out dance music ?

Consider the DVD as what it is: a commercial piece of shit. And not as the 6.1 Dolby Surround THX 16:9 Extended Director's Cut of The Lord of the Rings. It's certainly not a masterpiece, as I said, it's more a piece of commercial shit.

Hehehe... remembers me of Hulk the movie

- and yes, internet changed forever my perception of dance music. Nowawadays, I'm all into house, until the day I'll be skilled and bored again

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's true, but if you can beatmatch but know fuck all about structuring and record selection, it wil also be shit. So you see, mixing is not all about beatmatching.

i dunno, apart from cueing, you can stick any tunes together and they will still mix as such, it mgith sound mixing techno with prog trance but you can still mix it as such.

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