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| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Well if you guys don't have a problem with things like incest, polygamy, etc., then I guess there's not much I can argue with you about. I think it sort of defeats the purpose but that's just my opinion, and as long as you're logically consistent then I'll respect that.  |
Ah good, finally another chance to finish our argument.
I've actually decided that whilst incest may personally disgust me, as long as there are no children produced (due to deformities and so on), then there really isn't anything wrong with it.
I don't have an issue with polygamy, and as far as I'm concerned it's idiotic to have laws that either ban or don't accommodate it in the first place. Again, my views on the state getting out of marriage aside, since marriage's primary focus currently isn't on bringing up a family, why deny gays the ability (or as some would say, the right) to marry?
To play the devils advocate though, one could argue that polygamous marriage and incest have elements of choice involved, as homosexuality seem to be genetic and/or biological. I don't subscribe to that argument, but I have seen it used to say that homosexual marriage should be allowed, whilst polygamy should not.
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceporter99
im all for CIVIL UNIONs, but dont call it Marriage. Marriage is a completly diffrent institution. |
Care to elaborate on that?
| quote: | Originally posted by PhloTron
The article states clearly "to found a family"...which easiliy implies that this is for child bearing purposes which is done between a man and a woman. In 1948, marriage was between men and women...and last time I checked a guy porking another guy...doesn't create kids...and thus, not a family. |
Right, running with that logic, infertile couples, people with no intention of having children, or older people should be denied the right to marry? Are you asserting that marriage is there to bring up a family and that alone? If you are, then you're really redefining marriage as we know it, as many people seem to view it as a commitment to someone they love. What about couples who have a family outside of marriage? Should we deny people the right to do that?
You're also dead wrong when you claim that gays can't have a family. Many gay couples can, and do have kids. IVF, surrogate mothers and/or fathers, adoption, fostering and so on. I personally know a gay couple bringing up kids. It happens. So, since you seem to be putting forward the view that marriage is there to assist couples bring up a family, why deny it to gays who have, or plan to have a family?
| quote: | | If the issue is over government benefits then civil unions should get those same benefits as "married" couples. Marriage is a religious privilege...one in which my beliefs are for a man and a woman to participate in. |
That's also blatantly untrue. You seem to be confusing religious marriage with civil marriage. Religious institutions are perfectly able to deny gays the 'right' to marriage. Nobody is disputing that. What we are disputing, however, is the government denying gays the right to marriage. Religious institutions can do whatever the hell they like.
Here's a teaser for you. As an atheist, should I be denied the right to marriage, even though I plan to have a family in the future? Am I somehow unfit to get married because I don't hold any religious beliefs? If so, then I suggest you go and tear up the US constitution and the bill of rights. Hey, why should those non-Christians have any rights? This is a theocracy!
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
The instituion of marriage originated in Heaven, not in the goverment. But,Government only recongnizes it, Therefore the government can't change the definition. |
Right. So non-Christians shouldn't be allowed to marry then. The US is a theocracy after all! Read your own constitution and/or bill of rights before putting your foot in it like that.
| quote: | Originally posted by rainbow_marble
if some guy fell in "love" with his dog, should he be allowed to legally marry it? |
Is a dog a human being? Can a dog linguistically communicate? Can a dog bear children? Can a dog consent to marriage? Hell, can a dog do anything remotely 'human like'?
| quote: | | to me, allowing homosexual marriage is a disgrace to marriage. |
Fair enough, that's your prerogative. Still, the question remains. Why deny it to others who don't share your views?
| quote: | if the homos want it for legal purposes, atleast call it something else and dont try to get married in my church  |
Why call it something else? If it's the exact same thing, what's the point?
Again, the church thing is fine, as we're discussing civil marriage and not religious marriage. Believe it or not, there is a difference.
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