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squirrelly
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Originally posted by mps242
Well remember, Scalia recused himself on this case (thus my #'s were fucked up) I think it will come down 5/3 or 6/2 (although a 4/4 decision would be fine as it wouldn't overrule the 9th circuit). With no scalia I really think it will be thomas and rhenquist that vote to uphold "Under God," but it will be tough for them to argue with the fact that this isn't mere acknowlegdement of our religious history, but is instead a PLEDGE to be UNDER GOD...

Frankly, I'll be devastated if somehow a 5/3 majority comes together to rule Under God is ok... The past year has had a slew of good decisions coming from the court, I'd hate to see them fuck it up on this one...


I think it is being forgotten by many people that the usage of the words "under God" were actually not added into the pledge until 1954. Seems to be from the various sources that I have read that one of the arguments were that it would be too difficult to change the system around and the younger generation would have difficulty remembering the change. Everyone adapted well enough 50 years ago though.


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With regards to the impeding ruling, I certainly hope that it will be ruled unconstitutional - but quite frankly with religious nutters like Scalia on the bench, I'm not entirely sure what's going to happen. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

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[font=comic sans ms]I think it is being forgotten by many people that the usage of the words "under God" were actually not added into the pledge until 1954.


Well, actually - half of my last post was devoted to the pledge and the adding of 'under god'.


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Well, actually - half of my last post was devoted to the pledge and the adding of 'under god'.

But realizing that would have involved reading your post.


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MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by Shakka


It's becoming more apparent to me that both sides like to label the other side as "Ultra" or "Extreme", when in fact they are nothing close to "Ultra-right". It is becoming a political game to try and convince your supporters that your views are merely 'moderate' or 'centrist', when in actuality you are just as far from the center as the person you are criticising. Ultra-conservative to me would be someone like Pat Buchanan or David Duke. Come on, Opus.


Aside of the fact that Scalia has recused himself from this case (I admittedly forgot about that part), from reading the personal opinions and decisions from the far-right Supreme Court justices over the years, both inside and outside the Supreme Court, I believe my assessment of them is fairly accurate. If there are instances in which Scalia, Thomas, and Rhenquist have gone anywhere other than a politically conservative stance on any given ruling, please point them out, because I have seen very few, if any at all.

That's not to say that they are in lines with white supremacists like D. Duke (a little strange seeing Thomas with a pillow case on his head next to a burning cross), which of course are extremists. But if the label of "far-right" suits you more than "ultra-conservative", then I'll be happy to oblige from here on out.

Side note: P. Buchanan has been against the Iraq War from day 1, and wants our troops out of there immediately. Hardly an ultra-conservative stance if you ask me.

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P.S. there is no "Republican Attack Machine", Kerry is doing just fine digging his own grave these days.


As if....

Seriously, don't cha think Fox News/Anything owned by Murdoch/Limbaugh/all conservative talk shows/Drudge Report/etc. have just a tad bit of doing in this? If not, I think you're being just a slight bit naive. I'll address more of this in Kerry's VP thread later.


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As if....

Seriously, don't cha think Fox News/Anything owned by Murdoch/Limbaugh/all conservative talk shows/Drudge Report/etc. have just a tad bit of doing in this? If not, I think you're being just a slight bit naive. I'll address more of this in Kerry's VP thread later.


Opus, there's nothing that the right does to the left that the left doesn't do equally back to the right. The only difference is that, for the most part, Republicans and Conservatives don't run around crying about the game of politics at hand whilst Democrats and Liberals constantly cry like babies when they're put under the spotlight, or when someone tries to hold them to account.

Today's ramblings from Boortz.

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BUSH ANSWERS EVERY QUESTION --- WITHOUT HELP

So yesterday President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with the 9/11 Commission. This meeting was held in the Oval Office and no recording was made of what took place. The president answered every question, and was not stopped at any point by the White House counsel. All sides (so far) are praising the session and commission members have said the president was candid and forthcoming. The questions and the answers that have leaked have been pretty predictable...mostly about the August 6th PDB memo and the administration's response to the attacks. If the media, Democrats in Congress and The Poodle thought they were going to get anything out of this to nail Bush on, they're sorely mistaken. Better luck next time, though. The media is most certainly disappointed as well.

There was one pretty unbelievable development in all this. The 9/11 Commission pressed for weeks and weeks to meet with the president and the vice-president. It absolutely had to happen, we were told, for them to complete their report. It was a very important priority. So with that as a backdrop, once they get their meeting in the Oval Office with the president, what do two of the Democrats on the commission do? They leave early! Vice chairman Lee Hamilton left the White House 70 minutes early, saying that he had a meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister. Bob Kerrey also left in the middle of the questioning, because he had a previous commitment to meet with Senator Pete Domenici on Capitol Hill. Why did they leave early? They left early because they weren't drawing any blood. They left early because the president was performing above all expectations. They left early because their agenda was not to gather information, but to embarrass the president. So .. .if your agenda isn't being met, leave!

Unbelievable. These two men were appointed to a committee to investigate the historic 9/11 attacks on America, and they can't even clear their schedules to meet with the president of the United States.

ANOTHER 9/11 FAMILY MEMBER HEARD FROM

Last night I was sitting in a little room at the NBC studios here in Atlanta. I was there to appear on CNBC's 8:00 news program to discuss the ABC Nightline death watch show scheduled for tonight. While waiting and listening I heard an interview with a mother of a man killed in the 9/11 attacks. Now ... this may sound just a wee bit insensitive, but losing a family member in the 9/11 attacks doesn't suddenly make you a brilliant commentator on matters of national security. This woman (sorry, I forgot her name) was discussing the appearance of Bush and Cheney before the 9/11 commission members. She was upset that Bush and Cheney weren't under oath, and particularly upset that there wasn't a transcript of their testimony made available to the public.

Hey ... what's your name ... the reason that there is no transcript released is because top secret details of our war on terror were discussed. What do you want, lady? Do you want our intelligence operations to be jeopardized just to make you feel better? I heard you say you wanted to emulate the Jersey Girls .. those four anti-Bush activists who have been playing on their status as 9/11 family members to engage in partisan attacks on the president. Well ... intellectually, you fit right in.

SLIME ON THE PODIUM

This is almost too good to be true. John Kerry granted an interview to Black Entertainment Television and, wouldn't you just know it, one of the questions was about whether Al Sharpton would be a speaker at the Democratic National Convention. The Poodle's response? "If he wants to do it, I'd like him to do it. I think he'd do a terrific job. I think he'll add something...there's no plea necessary. It's my invitation." There's no way in hell Sharpton, who has never found a camera he didn't like, will turn down the invitation. You can bet he'll be there this summer to give his speech.

Actually .. .this is good news. Sharpton's appearance at the Democratic convention will give us an opportunity to highlight the moral decadence of the Democratic party. Sharpton is a lying pig, though they embrace him. Never has the saying "you're known by the company you keep" been more true.

Well .. here's an idea for Republicans. Start now demanding that Al Sharpton use this time at the Democratic National Convention to engage in the Democrats favorite form of moral exhibitionism! He can issue a few apologies!

Maybe Sharpton can use this speech to apologize to Steve Pagones. Sharpton accused Pagones, a prosecutor, of raping Tawana Brawley. Pagones later sued Sharpton and was awarded $345,000. Sharpton has yet to apologize for his role in the Brawley affair, and his unfounded and slanderous accusations against Pagones and others.

While Sharpton's on a roll, maybe he can apologize to the family of Yankel Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was surrounded and stabbed to death by a Brooklyn mob shouting "kill the Jews." The crowd had been whipped into a frenzy by Al Sharpton railing against "diamond merchants" with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. What was this all about? A young black child was killed in a traffic accident. A Jew was driving the car that killed him.

Sharpton can finish by apologizing to the families of the seven employees of Freddy's Fashion Mart in Harlem. Freddy's, you see, was owned by a white Jew. The owner of Freddy's rents his space from a black landlord. He then rents a small portion of his space to a music store owned by a black man. The black landlord raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart. This means that the owner of Freddy's, the white Jew, must raise the rent on the black man who owns the record store. Enter Al Sharpton. Sharpton starts leading demonstrations. He screams to the crowd that "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's mob starts yelling "Burn down the Jew store!" and "We're going to see that this cracker suffers." A protester enters the store. He warns all black customers to get out and then shoots four employees point-blank, then sets a fire. Seven employees dead. Sharpton owes them an apology.

The problem here, of course, is that demanding apologies is a Democratic sport, not a Republican one. Well .. why can't you Republicans take a play out of the Democratic book now! Get on the record .. .demand Sharpton's apologies. See if you get any media coverage.

Yeah, right.

INTEMPERATE THOUGHTS

Those pictures of American soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners? You do know that it was other American soldiers who took those pictures and turned them over to authorities, don't you? The media will concentrate, though, on the bad apples, not the good ones.

You know that Jamie Gorelick is a member of the 9/11 Commission. You also probably know that she was an Assistant Attorney General in the Clinton Administration And .. you might know that she is the Clinton official who wrote that memo that pretty much eliminated any possibility that the CIA and the FBI would cooperate and share intelligence on terrorism. But .. do you know why Gorelick wrote this memo? Simple. To protect Clinton from an investigation into Chinese involvement in his campaign finance scandal.

Boortz the Horse is not running in the Kentucky Derby this weekend. Drat. I'm thinking vast left-wing conspiracy.

Speaking of the Derby. Believe me, after 35 years of talk radio, I've heard some ridiculous things. Yesterday I heard one that almost topped the list. Some mindless idiot was saying that Jockey's have a "Constitutional right" to put advertisements on their silks at the Derby. I'm not sure who this asshat was ... must have been some sort of a union rep.

Air America ... lefty talk radio .... lost two executives this week. CEO Mark Walsh and Executive Vice President for Programming Dave Logan are gone. Air America president Jon Sinton says the departures were "as expected." As expected by whom? Do you think Walsh and Logan expected it? I hear a toilet flushing somewhere.

THE DIVISIVE POODLE

Speaking of race, the Kerry campaign is coming under fire from some Democrats and advocacy groups who are upset about the lack of minority representation in the upper levels of The Poodle's campaign. It's so much fun when Democrats turn on their own, isn't it?

It turns out Kerry's inner circle is mostly white. Some are complaining about the lack of diversity, but check out who is coming to his defense. None other than the Congressional Black Caucus, whose leader, Jesse Jackson, Jr. said the criticism was unfounded. His reason? "I am concerned about diversity, but more importantly I am concerned about the experience in that diversity - senior policy people who know people from one end of the country to another." In other words, we aren't really concerned about race....we just want somebody that's knowledgeable and has connections.

Can you imagine if a Republican tried to get away with that? They wouldn't...and the first people to be jumping up and down screaming if they said something like that would be the Congressional Black Caucus. You know it's true.


Some good and interesting points made daily. Happy Friday.

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