Nice response Jaykue!

As i said i dont really have an opinion but its always good to stimulate debate....

Let me just sum up what i think your saying again (please correct em if im wrong!):

A musicican is someone who understands how to create music and has complete artistic control over what they play....

Sound about right??

By that defnition i can see how djs wouldnt be counted as musicians, but what about turntabilists? they create their own music and have complete artistic control and would have to undertsand the music for it to sound at all good....

And on another topic - Are DJ's Artists if not musicians???

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Originally posted by lethal As i said i dont really have an opinion but its always good to stimulate debate....

My thoughts exactly

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Originally posted by lethal Nice response Jaykue! As i said i dont really have an opinion but its always good to stimulate debate.... Let me just sum up what i think your saying again (please correct em if im wrong!): A musicican is someone who understands how to create music and has complete artistic control over what they play.... Sound about right?? By that defnition i can see how djs wouldnt be counted as musicians, but what about turntabilists? they create their own music and have complete artistic control and would have to undertsand the music for it to sound at all good.... And on another topic - Are DJ's Artists if not musicians???

i think i mentioned before that turntabilism, personally would be an exception. they do have control of what they do, taking mere loops/beats/samples to create their own rhythms and grooves on the spot.

djs, artists? yea, why not. its a craft you inject a degree of creativity into yes?

nice hole poking tho fence sitter =p

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Originally posted by [ groovypants ] Wade and JayKuE are pretty much on the ball. People are getting confused with the terms "Composer" and "Musician". A composer is someone who writes the music. Pure simple. You have people who can compose really well, and @ the same time play really well - you can call those people anything you like cause their skill does not need a god-status under their name - they don't care, they LIVE for music and that is all that matters. Both terms are over-rated.

thats getting pretty technical. but why even separate a composer to a musician? i would assume that a composer is a subset of a musician. otherwise it would simply be like somebody who is able to write a novel without being able to read?

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Though what about being able to read but not write a novel?

actually...

Hmmm.... I guess this is where the "understanding" that you've mentioned comes in.

Good call.

For me, I've always thought that a muscian is someone who just plays for a living where a composer is dedicated to writing music. To the extreme of the particular path.


A lot of people here are mentioning classical music - here's something interesting and would like to hear everyone's opinion [though slightly off topic]:

Conductor vs. DJ - same concept?

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i think john cage is and interesting person to bring into this. obviously known as a composer but he uses turntables in his compositions (first person to do so) does this make him not a composer or a musican because he used a turntable? Of course not... if your playing covers in a band or you're djing just for the fame/money/drugs/sex then you're just a jukebox. If you live the music you're a musican. I've been singing for quite a long time and until this year i didn't know anything about how scales worked, how to compose anything i just followed the notes(or tried to!) i was given to sing.

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Originally posted by DynaFire i think john cage is and interesting person to bring into this. obviously known as a composer but he uses turntables in his compositions (first person to do so) does this make him not a composer or a musican because he used a turntable? Of course not... if your playing covers in a band or you're djing just for the fame/money/drugs/sex then you're just a jukebox. If you live the music you're a musican. I've been singing for quite a long time and until this year i didn't know anything about how scales worked, how to compose anything i just followed the notes(or tried to!) i was given to sing.

I DJ and I can tell you I don't do it for any of those reasons, I do it for the love of the music and I find it fun.
I do actually understand about scales and how music works etc as I used to play the flute.

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