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Originally posted by arctic I agree that KB is behaving like a twit, but that's a terrible idea. The vast majority of idiots are generally over 18. Yes, a lot of people under 18 have no idea how irritating they can be, but irrespective of that, there are moronic adults as well. How about just banning people who come across as stupid via there posts? Of course, I have a vested interest in all of this, because I myself am under 18 - and hypothetically you'd be banning me if a rule like that was implemented.

Eh, think about it, there are a hell of a lot more people in the world that are over 18, just because of that fact alone there are gonna be a lotta dumbasses.


plus, a lot of those dumbasses that are under 18, grow up and stay jackasses after turning 18.



I blame tv.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I blame tv.

I blame their parents.

People have REALLY been slacking on the parenting skills the past several years. How else can you explain all of this bullshit about teenagers shooting up schools, and such. I mean, come the fuck on.

Some of these kiddos should have gotten a few more assbeatings, and maybe they wouldn't be so OFF. THEY NEED PARENTAL GUIDANCE, not a TV Dinner and video games.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Eh, think about it, there are a hell of a lot more people in the world that are over 18, just because of that fact alone there are gonna be a lotta dumbasses. plus, a lot of those dumbasses that are under 18, grow up and stay jackasses after turning 18.

Point taken - but the fact remains that banning according to age isn't going to solve anything, because there are idiots of all ages. Simply banning everyone under 18 would cut quite a few of the political forum regulars out, and although it wouldn't be long before I was unbanned - there are lots of 17 year olds who post if I remember the last 'age poll' correctly.

EDIT: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...hreadid=157132 - there you have it, at 17 was almost the biggest age group according to this particular poll.

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I blame tv.

I blame god.

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Originally posted by Jiffy I blame their parents. People have REALLY been slacking on the parenting skills the past several years. How else can you explain all of this bullshit about teenagers shooting up schools, and such. I mean, come the fuck on. Some of these kiddos should have gotten a few more assbeatings, and maybe they wouldn't be so OFF. THEY NEED PARENTAL GUIDANCE, not a TV Dinner and video games.

actually last I heard the rate of school shootings n such hasn't really gone up at all. In fact it has been the same for quite sometime. Since it finally happened in a upper/middle class neighborhood major news channels covered it like crazy. Go to some high schools in LA or NY and see their violence records.


and I think parents aren't allowed to parent the way they want. they were raised one way, do bad, get punished. However the way the legal system is going they are outlawing most forms of punishment that was common place for the parents nowadays when they were kids. So now they are left clueless since they got all their ideas about parenting from their own parents.


I say we put birth control in the water supply, then when a couple passes a competency exam for parenting, they then get the antidote, have their kid, and then they are right back on it.


yes I know the population would drop considerable, but after a few generations, the world would be a better place.

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Originally posted by arctic Point taken - but the fact remains that banning according to age isn't going to solve anything, because there are idiots of all ages. Simply banning everyone under 18 would cut quite a few of the political forum regulars out, and although it wouldn't be long before I was unbanned - there are lots of 17 year olds who post if I remember the last 'age poll' correctly.

i know, I would never advocate a rule like that, I was just playing the devil advocate :P. keeps me on my toes.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 i know, I would never advocate a rule like that, I was just playing the devil advocate :P. keeps me on my toes.

Devil's advocacy is overrated - it's more fun to demolish the arguments of people who are actually wrong rather than people who are just pretending to be wrong.

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rofl @ headspins

"man ciggarettes make me high, i get the most wicked headspins!"

how old is this guy anyways? does he realise that after a week of smoking cigs dont do that to you any more? i love smoking but its not like i treat it as a drug or anything, moreso just something to do...

sorta like going out and having coffee... you sit down, have a drink and a chat - its not about the caffeine, its just about chilling out for a bit

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Originally posted by Boomer187 actually last I heard the rate of school shootings n such hasn't really gone up at all. In fact it has been the same for quite sometime. Since it finally happened in a upper/middle class neighborhood major news channels covered it like crazy. Go to some high schools in LA or NY and see their violence records. and I think parents aren't allowed to parent the way they want. they were raised one way, do bad, get punished. However the way the legal system is going they are outlawing most forms of punishment that was common place for the parents nowadays when they were kids. So now they are left clueless since they got all their ideas about parenting from their own parents.

I understand what you're saying. Totally. I was just using the shootings as an example I can definitely tell you, though, that children's attitudes in school, towards parents and other authority figures has DEFINITELY declined. Kids these days try to get away with ALOT of stuff that I KNOW was not something that was the norm "back in my day". I've spoken with teachers about this recently, and it's bullshit.

Yeah, and parents aren't able to parent like they were raised. Sure. They're afraid to. I mean, hell, if you whip your child, if you dn't watch out- you could be a child abuser.

That's crap. I STRONGLY support corporal punishment, as long as it is appropriate, ya know. SPank your kids BUTTS when they curse you, throw a punch at you, or act out in school.

I got whippings when I was a kid. I can say that, it definitely taught me to learn decision making, and how to rationalize- HEY, if I do THIS I'll get a whipping, and that would be bad. Lately, with all of this anti-spanking crap, what's to keep a kid from NOT being a little turd?

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Originally posted by Jiffy Lately, with all of this anti-spanking crap, what's to keep a kid from NOT being a little turd?

blame them stupid psychologist, they found in some studies that when you physically punish there are negative attitudes er something that form in the kid, making it bad. These negative thoughts don't form when you use punishment other than the physical kind.



jeesh, they think that time out is gonna work....




wait, im a psychologist.....damn it.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 wait, im a psychologist.....damn it.

Oh. Man. Dood. What's up with all that psychobabble that has gone on in the past few years? I mean, no spanking, all that b.s.

I mean, it's almost as if the children are the ones calling the shots, and the parents can't do anything about it.

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Originally posted by torontotrance K what I'm about to do needs to be done here is the list of the 994 chemicals in cigs...most of them are harmful Acetanisole; Acetic Acid; Acetoin; Acetophenone; 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane; 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine; 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran; Acetylpyrazine; 2-Acetylpyridine; 3-Acetylpyridine; 2-Acetylthiazole; Aconitic Acid; dl-Alanine; Alfalfa Extract; Allspice Extract; Oleoresin; Oleoresin Oil; Allyl Hexanoate; Allyl Ionone; Almond Bitter Oil; Ambergris Tincture; Ammonia; Ammonium Bicarbonate; Ammonium Hydroxide; Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic; Ammonium Sulfide; Amyl Alcohol; Amyl Butyrate; Amyl Formate; Amyl Octanoate; alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde; Amyris Oil; trans-Anethole; Angelica Root Extract; Oil and Seed Oil; Anise; Anise Star Extract and Oils; Anisyl Acetate; Anisyl Alcohol; Anisyl Formate; Anisyl Phenylacetate; Apple Juice Concentrate/Extract and Skins; Apricot Extract & Juice Concentrate; 1-Arginine; Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil; Ascorbic Acid; 1-Asparagine Monohydrate; 1-Aspartic Acid; Balsam Peru and Oil; Basil Oil; Bay Leaf Oil; Sweet Oil; Beeswax White; Beet Juice Concentrate; Benzaldehyde; Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal; Benzoic Acid; Benzoin; Benzoin Resin; Benzophenone; Benzyl Alcohol; Benzyl Benzoate; Benzyl Butyrate; Benzyl Cinnamate; Benzyl Propionate; Benzyl Salicylate; Bergamot Oil; Bisabolene; Black Currant Buds Absolute; Borneol; Bornyl Acetate; Buchu Leaf Oil; 1-3-Butanediol; 2-3-Butanedione; 1-Butanol; 2-Butanone; 4(2-Butenylidene)-3, 5, 5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One; Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil; Butyl Acetate; Butyl Butyrate; Butyl Butyryl Lactate; Butyl Isovalerate; Butyl Phenylacetate; Butyl Undecylenate; 3-Butylidenephthalide; Butyric Acid; Cadinene; Caffeine; Calcium Carbonate; Camphene; Cananga Oil; Capsicum Oleoresin; Caramel Color; Caraway Oil; Carbon Monoxide; Cardamom Oleoresin Extract/ Seed Oil/and Powder; Carob Bean and Extract; beta-Carotene; Carrot Oil; Carvacrol; 4-Carvomenthenol; 1-Carvone; beta-Caryophyllene; beta-Caryophyllene Oxide; Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract; Cassia Bark Oil; Cassie Absolute & Oil; Castoreum Extract; Tincture and Absolute; Cedar Leaf Oil; Cedarwood Oil Terpenes & Virginiana; Cedrol; Celery Seed Extract/Solid/Oil/and Oleoresin; Cellulose Fiber; Chamomile Flower Oil & Extract; Chicory Extract; Chocolate; Cinnamaldehyde; Cinnamic Acid; Cinnamon Leaf Oil; Bark Oil and Extract; Cinnamyl Acetate; Cinnamyl Alcohol; Cinnamyl Cinnamate; Cinnamyl Isovalerate; Cinnamyl Propionate; Citral; Citric Acid; Citronella Oil; dl-Citronellol; Citronellyl Butyrate; Citronellyl Isobutyrate; Civet Absolute; Clary Oil; Clover Tops; Red Solid Extract; Cocoa; Cocoa Shells Extract; Distillate and Powder; Coconut Oil; Coffee; Cognac White and Green Oil; Copaiba Oil; Coriander Extract and Oil; Corn Oil; Corn Silk; Costus Root Oil; Cubeb Oil; Cuminaldehyde; para-Cymene; 1-Cysteine; Dandelion Root Solid Extract; Davana Oil; 2-trans; 4-trans-Decadienal; delta-Decalactone; gamma-Decalactone; Decanal; Decanoic Acid; 1-Decanol; 2-Decenal; Dehydromenthofurolactone; Diethyl Malonate; Diethyl Sebacate; 2,3-Diethylpyrazine; Dihydro Anethole; 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine; Dill Seed Oil and Extract; meta-Dimethoxybenzene; para-Dimethoxybenzene; 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol; Dimethyl Succinate; 3, 4-Dimethyl-1; 2-Cyclopentanedione; 3, 5- Dimethyl-1; 2-Cyclopentanedione; 3,7-Dimethyl-1; 3, 6-Octatriene; 4, 5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2; 5-Dihydrofuran-2-One; 6,10-Dimethyl-5; 9-Undecadien-2-One; 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid; 2,4-Dimethylacetophenone; alpha, para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol; alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate; alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate; 2, 3-Dimethylpyrazine; 2, 5-Dimethylpyrazine; 2, 6-Dimethylpyrazine; Dimethyltetra-hydrobenzofuranone; delta-Dodecalactone; gamma-Dodecalactone; para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde; Ethyl 10-Undecenoate; Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate; Ethyl Acetate; Ethyl Acetoacetate; Ethyl Alcohol; Ethyl Benzoate; Ethyl Butyrate; Ethyl Cinnamate; Ethyl Decanoate; 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