say what you want but for me, an infrequent drinker, If there were no last call, i think i would be hospitalized every time i drink.

It should be extended a bit though

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^^^ my point exactly

for every person that will simply show up at a club later and consume roughty the same # of drinks, there will be some clowns (not you, lol) who will still get there early and just keep on drinking until they can't walk...then they'll be on the street.

There are too many people here that can't handle that level of freedom...it's kinda sad...because that minority ruins it for the rest of us.

I love Montreal...Jazz Fest...city blocks of open drinking...no problems...few cops. Imagine Toronto if they shut down city blocks and allowed people to drink on the street...CARNAGE

CARNAGE?

I dont think so...

As for the clowns... the drunk clowns exist now at 1 and 2am so whats the diff?

Honestly the only reason this law exists is because its a relic of the orangeman protestant days gone by. Only 40 years ago they used to tie up the swings in Toronto parks on Sundays!! We are not a religious state anymore and as such its time to dismantle this relic law.

Nah.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 CARNAGE? I dont think so... As for the clowns... the drunk clowns exist now at 1 and 2am so whats the diff? Honestly the only reason this law exists is because its a relic of the orangeman protestant days gone by. Only 40 years ago they used to tie up the swings in Toronto parks on Sundays!! We are not a religious state anymore and as such its time to dismantle this relic law.

Unfortunately, people here never ceaze to amaze me in how stupid they are...I think there would be problems. Give those same drunk clowns a couple more hours to drink (or worse, unlimited) and I think it's safe to say that we'll need more cops on the street at night.

Can you even imagine what the corner of Richmond & Peter would look like at 5am with no last call? OMFG...*shudder to think*

So what you are saying is this. My idea is perfect for the rest of the world but for some reason the city of Toronto exclusively does not deserve this right?

Im struggling to understand where you are coming from. You even said that its a great thing to be able to walk around with your beer in Montreal. I think you need to give people in Toronto just a little bit more credit...

As for Peter and Richmond. Im thinking it would look the same at 5am as it does at 2am.

Many had the same argument just a few years ago when last call was moved from 1am to 2am; and what happened? Nothing.
If you want to get a drink after 2am in the core there are a number of boozecans, what is the difference in making it legal and safe?
Idiots exist in every society, and police are there to deal with them, penalizing all of us for their actions seems Orwellian, but then again big brother does know best!!

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Originally posted by disko-kandi don't complain. in england it's 11pm in the pubs! so on a weeknite you can't go anywhere after that - unless you're in london, not in a small town where eveything outside pubs shuts down at 6pm, ... or u just bribe the 'fruiterer' after 3am! hehehe at least in germany, france and switzerland etc. you can get alc 24/7 at any gas station.

yeah but then again in England u can also have beer with ur breakfast..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL yeah but then again in England u can also have beer with ur breakfast..

LOL!! yea you're right about that! same in bavaria (and other places in the EU, of course) where we call it Fruehschoppen!

give the peoples the choice, they (the majority) will make the right choices for themselves! ...do you see everyone in holland drinking absynth? (90% alc content, which is outlawed here! i just saw it here in the LCBO the other day, but it as 'only' about 60% or so...) pfff crazy!!!! no wonder van Goth cut his ear off! damm halucinations...hihi!

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Originally posted by boa-redux Many had the same argument just a few years ago when last call was moved from 1am to 2am; and what happened? Nothing. If you want to get a drink after 2am in the core there are a number of boozecans, what is the difference in making it legal and safe? Idiots exist in every society, and police are there to deal with them, penalizing all of us for their actions seems Orwellian, but then again big brother does know best!!

True hehe, it's sad though that our own gov't and police agencies can't trust the general public to play safe. What I'm wondering though is whether this attitude will get better or degrade into something worse?

The problem inherent in our preventative solution to the late morning drunks is that it never allows us (the rest of us) even the chance to prove that we can handle our alcohol just as well at 6am as we can at 2am. So we can never reach the level of acceptance and maturity that they have in parts of europe because we'll never be given the chance (as long as middle classed, middle aged mothers are the most recognized [loudest and most belligerent] vote whenever issues of morality and social change are brought up). I wonder why these types of decisions are never really discussed with the demographic they most affect?

its getting worse...

In Canada the government exerts control over our lives more and more as evident with the banning of GoldClub Series, banning Direct Tv, etc which have all occurred in the last couple of years.

We live in a society that presumes everyone as stupid before proven guilty. Not to mention the litigious nightmare we haev become. Its unthinkable that a person can get drunk, drive and kill someone and then the homeowner or restaurant who provided the alocohol gets charged. The fault lies with the individual who drove drunk and thats it.

Until we change this kind of thinking our society will remain listless, passionless and boring.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So what you are saying is this. My idea is perfect for the rest of the world but for some reason the city of Toronto exclusively does not deserve this right? Im struggling to understand where you are coming from. You even said that its a great thing to be able to walk around with your beer in Montreal. I think you need to give people in Toronto just a little bit more credit... As for Peter and Richmond. Im thinking it would look the same at 5am as it does at 2am.

I'm saying that it can't SUDDENLY be changed here. The rest of the world (or the parts that enjoy a later last call, or none at all) have people who have grown up with a different view on alcohol consumption.

I'm saying that too many people here are immature and won't handle it well. It can be done...we'll need much preparation for it.

And yes, attitude in Montreal is *very* different than Toronto...it's much better there, IMHO...more of a European attitude.

You guys are all thinking of our EDM scene here...keep in mind the fucktards at dance clubs and bars are not as well behaved