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Originally posted by abdul ok, great response but slightly flawed. I think he has great charisma (landing a fighter on an aircraft carrier, remempber that.) his bad speeches are the fault of his bad speech writers, not him. and he does have a lot of press conferences if u watch fox news alot.

Are you being serious?

We have statements made like this that are purely sarcastic, so I'm actually asking you in all honestly.

If you are serious, would you care to tell me exactly how our "Mission" was "Accomplished"?

Also, could you tell me how many soldiers have died since that moment, in comparison to those who died during "real" combat missions prior to his "charismatic" speech on the boat that was deliberately delayed so the camera angle could be just right for the sunshine in his photo-op?

Would you care to tell us how many open-question press conferences Bush has had, press conferences that were not staged and which the press had free reign to ask him any and all questions, and could you compare that number of open-question press conferences to, say, Clinton's number in his 1st 4 years? How 'bout in comparison to Bush Sr.? Reagan? Are you prepared to make that comparison worthwhile?

Was it the fault of Bush's speech writers when Bush mispronounced "Abu Ghraib" 3 different times during his most recent speech?

Do you watch Fox News exclusively?

Again, are you being serious?

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Kinda sad to be in the most powerful country in the world and you have two idiots to vote for president. I'm my case I'd vote for the lesser evil, Kerry.
There are many things I don't like about Bush, but one thing that ticked me off the most was when he had this practical joke on a slide show, a picture of him searching around the oval office, saying "where could thse WMD be?" People there thought it was funny, I guess the soldiers and their families must think it's funny too.

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Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew Actually, the reason for my question is because I dont have a great opinion of bush. My knowledge of his "legacy" is limited because my main concerns/interests are in Canadian politics. I was just wondering how the hell can bush have a somewhat high rating in the polls (based on my opinion of course)? I guess my question should of been, for those who will vote for bush this election, what are the reasons. Get it?

Reason #1 he's better than Kerry, the old anti-war protester from the Vietnam days who sided with the traitor bitch Jane Fonda....
Reason #2 anyone with prissy hair like Kerry can't be trusted!


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Originally posted by igottaknow Nice rephrasing of my points Mr. Opus, I think Occrider doesn’t like my blunt view of Bush because he’s a republican.

Ok that's it ... I'm afraid you've lost all credibility from my point of view. For your information I'm a registered democrat. In actuality I'm a libertarian moderate who would like nothing more than an isolationist, deficit hawk, small government that dictates only economics not lifestyle. Despite the fact that I was too young to vote, I supported Clinton in 92, 96, I voted for Gore in 2000, and I'm voting Kerry in 04. If you feel that the only appropriate response to my arguments is to simplistically "slander" me as a "republican" than you go right ahead. It merely adds to my belief that a key constituent of the left haven't a clue as to what a "republican" OR moderate truly represents or what they value. It may explain why the democrats lost to a complete fucking numbskull such as Bush in 2000. "Oh we dems did EVERYTHING right, ergo the only reason that people voted for bush is because they're fucking uneducated, religious retards!!! Right???? Yea that must be it, because we're incapable of fucking up on our part!" Here's a hint: alienating moderates and the right by patronizing them and pretending you know their rationale for the decisions that they make is not the best way to build a concensus.

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While I might view the four points negatively they are all plausible reasons. For example you could take the first point that his Christian right constituent is proof that he enjoys moral superiority or his policies to remove the barriers between church and state are a good thing, even though it’s against the Constitution. A large segment of his supports like the idea of adding religion to our government. In part this has been an over reaction to Clinton. As for my 3rd point Americans value superficial qualities over the candidate’s record and policy. This isn’t a partisan issue; candidates who are perceived as boring are at a big disadvantage (Bush 41, Dole, Gore, Dukakus…). My 4th point speaks to a general mentality of this country to seek simple punitive solutions to complex problems i.e. war on drugs, war on crime, war on terrorism... Sounds like a bad action movie but it’s true. One thing you can’t debate is that Bush is anti-intellectual; he makes no bones about that. In the past you could accuse the democrats of big government policies, expensive social programs, and fiscal irresponsibility, but under Bush we have seen the largest run up of the debt, an astronomical expensive prescription drug program, and a total lack of fiscal responsibility.

While they may accurately depict a specific representative portion of Bush voters, they in no way depict Bush voters as a whole. In the same way, voters of the left are equally suceptible to extremist principles, simple compensative solutions to complex problemms i.e. afirmative action, welfare, big government, etc. The point is is that you attempted to stereotype an entire voting block as being inferior because they are simpletons, because they are religious fanatics, because they are blinded by patriotism ... whatever. It would appear that in YOUR opinion, the motivations for the decisions these people make are in no way justifiable or explainable other than them being sheeple following the head wolf. In reality, you have no idea WHY they are voting the way they are voting asides from your vague generalities and assumptions. If you can't understand that a religious right person may have AS strong and justifiable beliefs about the moral surroundings that their children are growing up in as an Environmental leftist may have about the natural environemnt that their children will inherit than I don't know what to say.

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Occrider, I’m still waiting for your list of why people support Bush, just remember no generalization please

They may value his domestic agenda, they may value his foreign agenda as being pro-active and pro-preventative, they may value the long term decision of removing Saddam from power, they may value his moral agenda, they may value his ability to lead the country as opposed to Kerry's, they may think that Kerry is no better, they may value his predictability in what he would and would not do ... there are a billion reasons for why a person would think the way that they do each being more subjective than the last. Making assumptions about a person being inferior because they think differentely from yourself is like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Yeah, whatever Occrider said, plus....



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Originally posted by occrider I'm afraid you've lost all credibility from my point of view. For your information I'm a registered democrat

I said "I think you're a republican" that's not a definitive statement. Last time I checked political affiliation isn't tattooed on ones forehead.

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response to my arguments is to simplistically "slander" me as a "republican" than you go right ahead.

You should be more respectful. Any one who's a Republican might take issue with you saying mistaking someone to be a Rebpulican is a form of 'slander'. For all you know I could be a Republican. Shame on you Occrider!

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Originally posted by igottaknow I said "I think you're a republican" that's not a definitive statement.

it is when your not paying attention...which is also blatant form of disrespect.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it is when your not paying attention...which is also blatant form of disrespect.

I'm sorry I don't keep a dossier on members, charting their political affiliation and personal history. I'm more interested in discussing issues and the content of ones post.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I said "I think you're a republican" that's not a definitive statement. Last time I checked political affiliation isn't tattooed on ones forehead.

I'm confused as to why you would even attempt to stereotype me to begin with. Although I suppose it bears relevance to the thread topic.

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You should be more respectful. Any one who's a Republican might take issue with you saying mistaking someone to be a Rebpulican is a form of 'slander'. For all you know I could be a Republican. Shame on you Occrider!

I was under the impression that my quotations around "slander" and "republican" was adequate reinforcement that that statement was facetious in nature.

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Originally posted by smokeape Reason #1 he's better than Kerry, the old anti-war protester from the Vietnam days who sided with the traitor bitch Jane Fonda....

That's right, because he was photographed standing five or more rows behind Fonda at a rally - they must have been best buddies!

I know I've asked you this before, and got no response, but why is it bad that he was an anti-war protester? Do you think that wars are a good thing? Do you think that we should be actively trying to start wars?

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Originally posted by arctic That's right, because he was photographed standing five or more rows behind Fonda at a rally - they must have been best buddies!

edit. my bad