hmmmm... you know one of the whole points of the movie is that Bush helped Bin Laden's family leave the US, but actually R. Clarke handled that. I believe it has already been established that Clarke also likes to distort reality quite a bit.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/p...RTICLE_ID=38669

So, anyway, the movie is just lies and leftist propoganda.

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Originally posted by jellilorum So, anyway, the movie is just lies and leftist propoganda.

my question is have u seen it? and would u know it's lies? maybe it's propoganda maybe it's not. i'd just say go see it with an open mind. see it first before making a "qualified" opinion. i haven't seen it so i won't say anything as yet. /shrug

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Originally posted by trunks1022 my question is have u seen it? and would u know it's lies? i'd just say go see it with an open mind /shrug

If i told u to go see a movie by rush limbaugh would u go see it? I think not...and rightfully so, I know for a fact that the war with iraq is portrayed in a negative light, so its unbalanced, maybe he should include some video of iraqi's being fed to dobermans by saddam, but of course that would never be shown...I don't watch most movies as a general rule, 90% are garbage. Just because i didn't see it doesn't mean i don't know whether its biased, I haven't seen many things that I believe to be true...
On top of all of this you're a Met fan, why would i listen to you LOL!

Mizzz

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Oh, I did not say I was not going to see it! I will just have to wait for the DVD so I can pause every few minutes and vent my disgust, LOL.

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Originally posted by mizzuno If i told u to go see a movie by rush limbaugh would u go see it? I think not...and rightfully so, I know for a fact that the war with iraq is portrayed in a negative light, so its unbalanced, maybe he should include some video of iraqi's being fed to dobermans by saddam, but of course that would never be shown...I don't watch most movies as a general rule, 90% are garbage. Just because i didn't see it doesn't mean i don't know whether its biased, I haven't seen many things that I believe to be true... Mizzz

no i wouldn't be interested only because i have no interest in watching a politically charged movie regardless of whether it comes from the left or the right. so u've got me wrong on that count. and same can be said about something like passion of the christ. there's some similarities there... people saying before the movies come out that it was slanted towards anti-semitism. but after its release people of all creeds proclaimed there was no hint of anti-semitism. and gibson's supposed to be from a neo-conservative sect of catholocism and whatever.

u see where i'm getting at? i'm just saying that something should be watched before any opinion should be given. might be proven wrong

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Originally posted by jellilorum Oh, I did not say I was not going to see it! I will just have to wait for the DVD so I can pause every few minutes and vent my disgust, LOL.

to each their own

Originally posted by trunks1022
no i wouldn't be interested only because i have no interest in watching a politically charged movie regardless of whether it comes from the left or the right.[/QUOTE]

Uh so then why would you watch this movie then...

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so u've got me wrong on that count. and same can be said about something like passion of the christ. there's some similarities there... people saying before the movies come out that it was slanted towards anti-semitism. but after its release people of all creeds proclaimed there was no hint of anti-semitism. and gibson's supposed to be from a neo-conservative sect of catholocism and whatever. u see where i'm getting at? i'm just saying that something should be watched before any opinion should be given. might be proven wrong

Why would i give my money to Michael Moore, he's a weak comedian that is well know for being devisive, thats exactly what this movie was timed for, sorry, its not art its propaganda...

Mizz

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Originally posted by mizzuno Why would i give my money to Michael Moore, he's a weak comedian that is well know for being devisive, thats exactly what this movie was timed for, sorry, its not art its propaganda... Mizz

heh much how i feel about watching many movies anyway. pissing money away on a lighter note, i might actually watch dodgeball...

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Michael Moore comes out with Bowling for Columbine and bashed Charlton Heston (Pres. of the NRA) for his support of guns ...yada yada yada... but as a CARD CARRYING MEMBER of the NRA himself, never once did he tell Charlie "Here's your card back". What a crock this Stupid White Man is.

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Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ hehe as the lone Republican in the forum, I must speak up!

I think all good Republicans should call on Bush to resign like Barry Goldwater asked of Nixon.

If Bush knew of Dick Cheney's or Scooter Libby's leaking of the identity of an undercover CIA agent, he's guilty of the following high crimes and/or misdemeanors:

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United States Code TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE CHAPTER 15 - NATIONAL SECURITY SUBCHAPTER IV - PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION Section 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources (a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. (b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (d) Imposition of consecutive sentences A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment. AND United States Code TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 19 - CONSPIRACY Section 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040604.html

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The Serious Implications Of President Bush's Hiring A Personal Outside Counsel For The Valerie Plame Investigation By JOHN W. DEAN ---- -more

Another impeachable offense:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesun...rld/8458386.htm

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Woodward said he found that the administration quietly shifted money around to pay for early preparations for war in Iraq, without the approval of Congress. He said those preparations included building landing strips and addressing other military needs in Kuwait. The money, about $700 million, was taken in July 2002 from a budget item that had been approved for the war in Afghanistan, Woodward wrote. "Some people are going to look at that document called the Constitution, which says that no money will be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriated by Congress," Woodward says in his CBS interview.

Let me know if you want me to dig up more, or ask Occrider.

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Originally posted by mizzuno ` not lone...any type of propaganda is weak, whether left or right, it just seems that left wing propaganda is more accepted because its "cool". Its unfortunate that there are so many sheep in the world, being lazy has its privileges , you get to aimlessly follow whatever some random celebrity or comedian states(or anybody who doesn't show the whole story) as fact...unfortunately rarely what the media portrays are in fact...facts, it seems to be more fascinated with reporting on itself, its much easier that way, they don't have to get off their ass and actually do research, they just quote some other news organization...pretty sad actually Mizzuno

WORD man. You're definately not alone! Aside from Moore's agenda, is it me or does this guy eat too much? hehe jk

No but seriously, I live with two other roomates whom are VERY liberal and HATE Bush, (hey I described 99% of TA, hehe). Anyway, one of them has a Kerry sticker on his car. I have a Bush one but wouldn't dare put it on my brand new car for fear of being keyed!

Most people don't even care anymore about what's good for the country. Many people in this country hate Bush and that's fine, but few can actually tell you why. It is these people who will see Moore's film and base a decision on who runs our country based on one man's skewed view of things. People say that Bush brings this country down with his words and actions. I personally don't believe this. However, if it is true, then how is something like Michael Moore's Film going to help us ban together as a country and get through our current situation. If many feel the answer is getting Bush out of office, FINE. But Michael Moore has no idea the damage he'll do to our country's morale with this film. I think he could have done a movie on our country's determination to get through rough times...but why? It just doesn't sound interesting enough and what's more, no one would ever PAY to see a movie like that! I too believe people in this country are too lazy to look up the facts and instead rely on Satruday Night Live, the Daily Show or dare I say Michael Moore for "the facts" about our current administration. I for one, will watch the movie because i'm not afraid of what some left wing extremist has to say...because as with any extremists, they're just that, extreme.

I would like to add that it really sucks that we live in a country now where someone will get flamed for what they believe...I mention that because I know someone is going to jump on me fast and in a not so nice way. I'll be surprised if it doesn't happen. It's pretty ironic it'll be from a "open-minded liberal".

:::edit::: actually i'm reading most of the posts on here and I'm pleasantly surprised...everyones being civil! hehe :::edit::::


I stress the quotations because thank goodness most TA's here are respectful. I opted out on my two cents and decided to give you about a dollar a change worth of my opinion,