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Originally posted by Shakka So we've moved on to the ad-homenim attacks? How's that go? When all else fails, try to attack a person's character to win a debate?

If the ad-hominem (sp?) fits...

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If I may intervene, I do believe Shakka's point about ad hominems is appropriate. I'm no saint here, and I'm sure as hell not a moderator, but a good debate is always best without logical fallacies getting in the way.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 If I may intervene, I do believe Shakka's point about ad hominems is appropriate. I'm no saint here, and I'm sure as hell not a moderator, but a good debate is always best without logical fallacies getting in the way.

I'm sorry I could help comment on his glib statements on war... war is about death but death isn't about war. Huh? I just find it irritating the off-handed way people spout off about the virtues of war when they have never fought it one. They also seem to be experts in what acceptable when it comes to war, like taking pictures of flag draped caskets. Was this some deeply held belief you have always held or are you just simply repeating political rhetoric you herd on CNN.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I'm sorry I could help comment on his glib statements on war... war is about death but death isn't about war. Huh? I just find it irritating the off-handed way people spout off about the virtues of war when they have never fought it one. They also seem to be experts in what acceptable when it comes to war, like taking pictures of flag draped caskets. Was this some deeply held belief you have always held or are you just simply repeating political rhetoric you herd on CNN.

Thanks for misquoting me. I never said "War is about Death". I believe my exact, verbatim quote was

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Originally posted by Shakka War isn't about death, war is about idealogical differences that can't be reconciled by diplomatic means. Not to mention countless other reasons. Death is part of war, though.

Furthermore, I don't generally watch CNN. Ever heard the phrase, "If you find yourself in hole, stop digging!"? Would you care to enlighten me about your own personal combat experience?

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Originally posted by Shakka Would you care to enlighten me about your own personal combat experience?

Sure I'd be more than happy to answer that question. I've never fought in a war and I would never fight in one unless it involves repelling an invading army. So that's why I don't advocate using war for other reasons. *cough* oil

Now let me ask you what qualifies you to speak of the virtues of war and what makes you an expert about what war is? If you're so gun hoe why don't you sign up for military service and request to do a tour of duty in the frontlines of Iraq.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Now let me ask you what qualifies you to speak of the virtues of war and what makes you an expert about what war is? If you're so gun hoe why don't you sign up for military service and request to do a tour of duty in the frontlines of Iraq.

It honestly doesn't matter because I'm not the one who made the statement in the first place. You essentially made the claim when you said "I just find it irritating the off-handed way people spout off about the virtues of war when they have never fought it one." when you yourself have no combat experience. Don't pretend to be an expert when you have nothing to stand on. Whether I have combat experience or not is irrelevant. I never claimed any. You are trying to win a debate based on assumptions instead of producing any real argument. You've resorted to name calling and have never made any compelling argument that I was contradicting myself when I said that war is not about death, but that death is indeed a component of war. Your best option would be to stop digging right about 4 posts ago.

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Originally posted by Shakka Whether I have combat experience or not is irrelevant. I never claimed any. You are trying to win a debate based on assumptions instead of producing any real argument.

You brought it up by asking me my military experience. How is the same question you posed to me irrelevant when asked of you? Why do you support a war you're not willing to fight in? It's hypocritical to ask someone else to risk his or her life to fight for something you are unwilling to do yourself. They have a name for people like that...

Chickenhawk

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Originally posted by igottaknow You brought it up by asking me my military experience. How is the same question you posed to me irrelevant when asked of you? Why do you support a war you're not willing to fight in? It's hypocritical to ask someone else to risk his or her life to fight for something you are unwilling to do yourself. They have a name for people like that... Chickenhawk

Wow. There you go with the name-calling again. Saying it louder doesn't make any further points either.

I never said I was unwilling to fight in a war--please show me the quote where I said that?

It is irrelevant with respect to me because I never argued a single point from the perspective of one who has combat experience, whereas you explicitly said, "I just find it irritating the off-handed way people spout off about the virtues of war when they have never fought it one." which implies that you somehow have insight into this topic from a combat situation. I have continued to defend my position(and it's a very simple one) that war is not about death, but that death is surely a component of war. Put in other words, the point of war is not to see who can inflict the most casualties. Quite the contrary I'd say that it would be more accurate(particularly in modern times) to say that the objective of a war is generally to inflict minimal casualties while getting your opposition to capitulate. I'm not even going to stoop to your level of name calling because I don't have to.

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Originally posted by Shakka I never said I was unwilling to fight in a war--please show me the quote where I said that?

Then military.com/Recruiting/ or STFU

let us know when you get to Iraq

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well, back to the thread at hand... i believe the president's funeral is on today. it's been an intresting week as far as television goes, with all the specials and all. regardless of the love or hate expressed during his presidency, its strange to think that one of the most respected figures in modern american politics is being put to rest. how time flies. i'd love to set up a love him or hate him debate thread, but i feel this one should grant him the earned respect of just honoring his life.

rip gipper

edit: it shouldn't matter if he's in the coffin or not, mourners should be allowed a symbol for the mourning.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Then military.com/Recruiting/ or STFU let us know when you get to Iraq

I fail to see how your argument is any more compelling by attempting to bait me into a flame war.