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Originally posted by djtrinity u will not find that on a allen or dateq...vestax also seem to be pretty tight...i also didn't like the type of plastic on the eq's on the ecler.....i suppose the mixer is good for the money.....i also will say it sounded nice.....i just wasn't happy with the construction of it...

you are forming an opinion of an £845 mixer based on experience of a £389 from the same manufacturer. if you pay double the price, of course its going to be a lot more heavy duty, otherwise what do you pay for? yes, it has effects, but that certainly wouldn't add the other £450 odd to the price.

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Originally posted by tu_face you are forming an opinion of an £845 mixer based on experience of a £389 from the same manufacturer. if you pay double the price, of course its going to be a lot more heavy duty, otherwise what do you pay for? yes, it has effects, but that certainly wouldn't add the other £450 odd to the price.

have u handled the nuo 5?

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i just got the denon x1500, first hand expeirence it is a great mixer! -40db cuts and all....its a very clean sounding mixer

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Originally posted by wiregen i just got the denon x1500, first hand expeirence it is a great mixer! -40db cuts and all....its a very clean sounding mixer

Good to hear man, you should write up a little review after you've messed with it, I would (and I'm sure I ain't alone on this) like to hear from another TA what this is like, the good the bad and the ugly, its just a surgestion.

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Originally posted by Prodigy Child Good to hear man, you should write up a little review after you've messed with it, I would (and I'm sure I ain't alone on this) like to hear from another TA what this is like, the good the bad and the ugly, its just a surgestion.

yeah i was just reading the specs and i'd like to hear a review after you've had your fun.

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Originally posted by djtrinity have u handled the nuo 5?

no, but i wouldn't form an opinion on it based on a completely different mixer which is half the price.

its like having an opinion on a pmc 37 pro, based on an experience of a pcv-180, completely pointless

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Originally posted by tu_face no, but i wouldn't form an opinion on it based on a completely different mixer which is half the price. its like having an opinion on a pmc 37 pro, based on an experience of a pcv-180, completely pointless

i look at it like this....bmw makes a 750 il and 320...both are made in the bmw quality fashion.....just the lower model has less features and luxuries.

i haven't handled the pcv 18 but i bet its still constructed the same way most vestax are....pretty solid.....just has less to offer i have owned 4 vestax's the pmc 55,46 mk2,27 mk2 and the 175 all are onstucted in the same fashion..

its the same with allen and heath, rane ,etc....same construction just less features etc......thats how i base my judgement on the ecler.....its not much to go on but i would rather see that mixer for myself before i order from some shop online and find out its built like all there other mixers and i paid 400 more dollars for some effects and better xfader

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Originally posted by djtrinity i look at it like this....bmw makes a 750 il and 320...both are made in the bmw quality fashion.....just the lower model has less features and luxuries. i haven't handled the pcv 18 but i bet its still constructed the same way most vestax are....pretty solid.....just has less to offer i have owned 4 vestax's the pmc 55,46 mk2,27 mk2 and the 175 all are onstucted in the same fashion.. its the same with allen and heath, rane ,etc....same construction just less features etc......thats how i base my judgement on the ecler.....its not much to go on but i would rather see that mixer for myself before i order from some shop online and find out its built like all there other mixers and i paid 400 more dollars for some effects and better xfader

i understand what you are saying, and i agree that befoire buying, using would be preferable. taking on your bmw analogy, i would say that you are comparing an older bmw to one of the newer 5 series. although yes they are both built with quality, but the newer bmw's have very different components in them than a bmw had 5-10 years ago.

what i am trying to say, is that they can't build a new mixer out of the same bits and just stick an effects unit in it, and charge double the price. so my best guess is that they have stuck a lot more heavy-duty components in there (faders, eq knobs, x-faders that will last ages etc) so that clubs are more likely to get it. ecler are taking on the djm600 with this one, so i seriously doubt they will make a shit job of it

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Originally posted by tu_face i understand what you are saying, and i agree that befoire buying, using would be preferable. taking on your bmw analogy, i would say that you are comparing an older bmw to one of the newer 5 series. although yes they are both built with quality, but the newer bmw's have very different components in them than a bmw had 5-10 years ago. what i am trying to say, is that they can't build a new mixer out of the same bits and just stick an effects unit in it, and charge double the price. so my best guess is that they have stuck a lot more heavy-duty components in there (faders, eq knobs, x-faders that will last ages etc) so that clubs are more likely to get it. ecler are taking on the djm600 with this one, so i seriously doubt they will make a shit job of it

i hear where your coming from!!!

if anyone uses one please let us know!

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Ill write a formal review once I get used to this.
I just brought this from a gig I played at.

Its very clean even for a loud system there was no buzzing that I hear.
As far as the effects go, I need to expeirement this at home...I have been pretty scared using the effects live since I just only owned the mixer for a couple days prior.

Also a nice note it's built very strong and is very all around. I can scratch REALLY well on this im surprised.

For 715$ its awesome!

Im a little curious about these smac pros 30s or 40s. Whats with the slanted faders? I've never touched one, but i sort of think using the faders to mix, might be a little more annoying with slanted faders? Anybody have any experiences with them? Are the really any good for mixing?...They seem to be marketed more twords the scratching market.