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Originally posted by smuncky i think jack layton had the most concrete answers out of the debaters. even though u could say he did avoid some questions, he answered much more than martin or harper.

I second that motion.


I felt the student poor had a voice with him also... it good to that he mentioned that student debts is increasing significantly and give a shite about our youth.

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well, let's face it, 75% of the debate has been rehearsed due to prepared questions. as for jayx1's comments, ndpers will be losing their right wing constituents to the liberals, not the left. i am supporting the liberals because i like their platform over the conservatives. money in the military is not where i want it. peacekeeping is canada's role. duceppe was great again tonight. he is a fine politician. layton looked every bit the used-car salesman; talking over everyone. he only looked comfortable discussing healthcare. harper held his own. too bad we'll be america's bitch if he gets a majority. his numbers are risky. tax cuts + spending in the military and health care. he is gambling on excessive positive results in the canadian economy. not a good idea. when the surpluses don't appear, i just wonder where the spending will be cut first, health care or the military? canadians will never supplant the us in arms strength, nor should we try to equate them. there is nothing wrong with asking for help to transport troops. i'd rather save the billions for something else and send a letter of thanks for the lift. canadians will always work under the directive of the united nations. we are not renegades invading nations at a whim. i want to see a minority liberal government with the bloc watching over them.

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Id rather have an "easy out" throught democracy in the parliament than be like Martin and hide behind court decisions and not reveal my true opinion. Talk about an easy way out!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Id rather have an "easy out" throught democracy in the parliament than be like Martin and hide behind court decisions and not reveal my true opinion. Talk about an easy way out!

Paul Martin has deferred to the courts to make such decisions. It's a valid position, just like any other.

Regardless, you're still not addressing my points regarding Harper's refusal to clarify his fiscal claims OR his use of the notwithstanding clause.

What it all boils down to is this. The Liberals have an 11 year record of broken promises, wasteful spending and recycled platforms. If they didnt follow through before what says they will now? I dont buy it. I also dont buy into scare mongering as a way of wagging the dog when it comes to the real issues.

The conservatives have the best platform but most importantly they dont have the same record as this merry band of liberals are concerned. Im willing to give them a chance and if need be in 4 years we can replace them especially if the Liberals have cleaned house and renewed themselves. But today, here and now, the conservatives are shining in a much brighter light than the thieves we call the Liberals.

who cares about a politician personal opinion.

Chretien was against gay mariages but he left it to the tribunals to decide and see if its constitutional or not! And he let it happen even tho he's not in accord.

why is it so important that the personal opinion of some politician be pushed forward. look south of the border and see how Bush's personal opinions were destructive at best.

There should be a seperation between the roles and opinions of a prime minister and the ones of the man underneath that personnage.

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im also agreeing with ppl that r saying that a lot of money shouldnt be put into the military. canada will never need that kind of an army and canada will never need that much money to go to defence.

although some money should be put into buying new equipment and replacing the old, it should not be alot.

i would rather see that money go somewhere else like education

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Originally posted by Jayx1 What it all boils down to is this. The Liberals have an 11 year record of broken promises, wasteful spending and recycled platforms. If they didnt follow through before what says they will now? I dont buy it. I also dont buy into scare mongering as a way of wagging the dog when it comes to the real issues. The conservatives have the best platform but most importantly they dont have the same record as this merry band of liberals are concerned. Im willing to give them a chance and if need be in 4 years we can replace them especially if the Liberals have cleaned house and renewed themselves. But today, here and now, the conservatives are shining in a much brighter light than the thieves we call the Liberals.

now that's the Jayx1 I've come to know.....
no answers? trot out a bunch of rhetoric

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Originally posted by malek who cares about a politician personal opinion. Chretien was against gay mariages but he left it to the tribunals to decide and see if its constitutional or not! And he let it happen even tho he's not in accord. why is it so important that the personal opinion of some politician be pushed forward. look south of the border and see how Bush's personal opinions were destructive at best. There should be a seperation between the roles and opinions of a prime minister and the ones of the man underneath that personnage.

Exactly. Chretien was a devout Catholic who by definition of his religion should have been against abortion (and was)yet he didnt push legislation through. This issue is a dead horse ressurected by the Liberals to take the focus away from the real issues.

and how about the environment and massive influx of monies into infrastructures and public mass transit... these issues are important too, even more so than the army or "security".

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Originally posted by malek and how about the environment and massive influx of monies into infrastructures and public mass transit... these issues are important too, even more so than the army or "security".

true, i dont think i heard anyone talk about them except layton

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Originally posted by malek and how about the environment and massive influx of monies into infrastructures and public mass transit...

At least this is one area where we know precisely where the Conservatives stand. A big fat goose-egg for both.