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Originally posted by Ory Sasha, Way Out West, Shpongle... btw aspergian, incase you didn't know, Simon "Hallucinogen" Posford is part of Shpongle. Raja Ram does the instrumental part in their productions (flutes etc).

Yup indeed, thanks -- this is why I named him. I am looking for more interviews with him detailing technical info and involving whatever musical projects he has been a part of, be it Hallucinogen or Shpongle.

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ok, i really have to agree with the dude who said that nobody must listen to sphongle. i think that any goa/psy group makes anything way more complicated than even sasha or bt (not to knock on sasha or bt, whom i like a lot; and not to build to high goa/psy, which i also enjoy). this includes astral projection, and (i am surprised no one mentioned it yet) infected mushroom.

all the same, i think that this question can be looked at a couple of different ways. first of all, i read some people mention layers. personally, i dont think that means anything, since any piano music by js bach only has two layers (bass and treble clef), but is way more complicated than anything bt, sasha, infected mushroom, or anyone alive today (except for some classical and jazz guys) makes. theoretically, you can break a percussion section into 6 or more layers, but does that make it more complicated, or technical? personally, i dont think so. so while some people might think layers are important, i think more in terms of musical virtuosity, and technicality in rythm, melody, and harmony like the js bach example. that said. i really think that as far as trance goes (this i think rules out aphex twin, and autechre even though they are much more adventurous musically (but way more difficult to listen to)), it is way in favor of the goa/psy producers, rather than sasha or bt or anyone else in progressive, or popular trance.

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funny thread. Xpander? You've got to be kidding.

Well first of all, the most complex songs are perhaps in Classical. I can't give you examples because I dont know enough about it.

However, lately, with the gift of computers, music of an intirely new complexity is being made.

Squarepusher - Boneville Occident
(Listen to the drums at 3:12 and watch your mouth drop.)

Aphex Twin - 54 Cymru Beats
(Probably Richard's more complex song.)


Seriously, listen to Squarepusher, and Somnambulist looks amateur. Shit, if you want tripped out vocals, go to Posford.

Younger Brother - Magic Monkey Juice
Younger Brother - Safety Zone
Shpongle - My Head Feels Like a Frisbee

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Originally posted by nic01445 Women aren't "evil" because "evil" is a human trait. Women really aren't a whole lot more than appliances. Every reaction is totally formulaic. Every nag, every whine, every complaint is totally forseeable once you begin to recognize their totally insane and irrational rythm.

Well you make good points, yioryios. It is indeed true that there are relative merits to each and every case and this is by no means the black-and-white -- how can artistic expression be such an unattached, polarized thing?

It's interesting to note that several well-known goa/psy producers -- you know which ones -- are starting to incorporate more stutter edits, varied sections, and technical trickery in the vein of BT, Andy Page, Hybrid, and the like. Which is cool, because the knowledge gets shared around and applied.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm looking for technical info coming directly from Simon Posford's mouth. But the interviews I've dug into just don't have that meat! As opposed to:

http://remixmag.com/ar/remix_mad_professor/

Okay, as you can see, that just takes the cake.

I want to read more about Simon Posford has to say about his music as Hallucinogen and Shpongle. Heck, if you have any good interviews and articles to recommend, please go ahead and do so! I'm looking forward to reading them.

I relate "complexity" to some degree to technological innovation. You gotta do something crazy most other people wouldn't even try because it's too much of a pain in the ass -- or in an alternate but inversed scenario, do the obvious which everyone else ignores or hates on you for before jumping on the bandwagon. Like Philip Glass.

If all of the aforementioned collaborated on a track though, *that* just might be your answer. We'll see more bridges between psy&goa and other trance in the not-so-distant future, no doubt.

Ultimately though in the end, I feel like "most complex track" as a sole distinguishing merit might be too gimmicky and shortsighted. It's a fun question to ask but when it comes down to music a crowd can actually listen to and enjoy, that opens up some additional possibilities. Some of my fave music consists of simple Americana folktunes. If it's complex and moves me, then that's fine too. DSP wankery alone need not apply

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Originally posted by davinox Squarepusher - Boneville Occident (Listen to the drums at 3:12 and watch your mouth drop.) Aphex Twin - 54 Cymru Beats (Probably Richard's more complex song.) Seriously, listen to Squarepusher, and Somnambulist looks amateur. Shit, if you want tripped out vocals, go to Posford.

HA HA HA!!!

Sorry, I just had to laugh so hard right now... I was enjoying the catchy riffs of Ian Van Dahl's "Castles In The Sky". Seriously. I was wondering what it would sound like with messed-up EFX loops.

Now back to the topic at hand. This is all from my personal taste alone: "Boneville Occident" is the *epitomy* of what I consider to be the DSP wankery I was mentioning earlier. Sure, drums go up, drums go down. Drum pattern gets mangled, drum pattern gets mangled another way. Let's see how many times we can turn on that ring modulator, Mommy!!! Wheee... that was fun! Or was it? Throw in some Amens, effect them while spinning knobs like an evil villain twirls his mustache with glee! Whee! Bah... I found it boring. I feel the same way about "54 Cymru Beats", although not as extreme.

It's like effects in a movie -- how many computer-generated fiends can spring forth from the scene until you are utterly mindnumbed and bored out of your skull? *oh look, another one.* What happened to the meat and potatoes, the characterization that warms you up? Music like this does not relate to a lot of people. Sure, you get the folks who will be all poseur hipster and pretend to like it just to "fit in" with the rest of 'dem chinstroking technosnobs, and you get the folks who genuinely like this music and listen to it on a daily basis, but it doesn't appeal on an emotional level to most for inexplicable reasons beyond me. Simply my observations.

Here are two by the two artists I prefer much more:

Squarepusher - Tetra-Sync
Aphex Twin - Girl/Boy Song

I feel that on Drukqs, I would have wanted to hear what would have happened if Richard James cross-polinated his lullaby piano ditties with some hardcore glitching. That would have been "G/B Song" taken to the stars like a superpowered rocket with love as its fuel.

Alas, it never happened.


As for BT's (and JC Chasez's) vocals on "Somnambulist"... ahhh... the acapella is a wonderful thing to listen to.

And you know the great irony? The vocals are the only thing seriously messed up like that. Beyond that, it's a great, radio-friendly pop song. Much harder to do than one would expect. And therein lies some sort of ironic sophistication, a simple complexity if you will.

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Originally posted by aspergian Squarepusher - Tetra-Sync Aphex Twin - Girl/Boy Song

girl/boy song is a much better track than Cymru, but much less complex.

you are being pompous. the thread was "the most complex track," not "which complex track do you like the best?"

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Please don't accuse me of being pompous without understanding more about where I'm coming from. If you have a question, feel free to ask me for clarification.

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In response to the original question, I had already answered that as you can clearly see, several posts above. I was additionally elaborating on this. And furthermore, I can see why some people choice "Xpander" as most complex. Different people perceive things in different ways, as I of course was saying.

"Tetra-Sync" is a later Squarepusher work and in my view, more technically complex because of how Jenkinson fused his Eventide-and-more programming with live, almost fusionesque work. Well it's definitely a fusion of sorts.

So, count me for that one

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Originally posted by aspergian "Tetra-Sync" is a later Squarepusher work and in my view, more technically complex because of how Jenkinson fused his Eventide-and-more programming with live, almost fusionesque work. Well it's definitely a fusion of sorts.

yeah tetra-sync is great.

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