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With DNA tests is paternity even up for debate nowadays ? Unless i was 100% sure i was the father, there isn't a chance in hell i'm giving a cent to a woman just cause she claims i'm her baby daddy.

You'd have to be a schumck to fork over child support if you didn't know for sure the kid was yours.

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Originally posted by Kytracid They get the house, the car, the kids, the dog, a fat check at the end of the month...if i had tits i wouldn't be complaining either. Know your woman guys, and make sure the bitch signs a prenup so you don't get hosed.

lol, most guys wouldn't ask for a prenup, they don't have the balls cuz they know if they do she'll be on close-down-lock-up until he backs down if you know what I mean.. It's all about being whipped..

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Originally posted by DigiNut BULLSHIT. The Liberal media loves to portray divorced men as highly-paid deadbeats who don't care about their kids or their families. But the majority of them are a little similar to the guy in that article - not quite as severe, but close. Most "deadbeat dads" are just ordinary guys like all of the guys in here. And: - They usually aren't ALLOWED to see their kids, contrary to the pathetic stereotype that they just aren't interested - They are low to middle-income earners and could barely support the family on a joint income - They spend every dime they earn to make whatever alimony and support payments they can - They go further and further into debt due to having no investable income And those are just the non-paying ones - the majority of divorcees actually do make their payments in full and on time. The system is completely against divorced dads. I've seen this twice in my own family (though fortunately not in my own household). There are mothers who piss away all the family income, beat the kids, and sit on their asses all day doing nothing, and the court still believes every word they say. I don't need proof - I've seen it with my own eyes. The saddest part of all of this is that 99% of people who will read this thread STILL don't realize, even after 10 years of this nonsense, that cases like this are not exceptions to the rule anymore. Maybe not all the dads live in shacks, but far too many of them live in squalor and poverty while their ex-wives live the high life. So they're separated from their families, dirt poor, and usually lonely for the rest of their lives because women are either distrustful of them or afraid of becoming financially responsible. Meanwhile their ex-wives remarry and continue to receive support payments even after garnering another income. I've spoken about this before but in the USA west coast there was a judge who decided to "go tough" on "deadbeat dads" even when it was conclusively proven that (a) they didn't even know the mom, they just had the same or similar name as the actual dad, or (b) they were not the biological father and the mother just named them to get welfare payments. This is how horrible the system has become. Pre-nups used to be the conclusive answer, but more and more often now the courts ignore them! What an age we live in...

some men are targetted unfairly and some women suffer greatly. yes some divorced men care deeply about there children, but there are those that do not. I work in insurance, and i can tell you about a guy who has company benefits and he has been ordered to put his kids on his policy. so what he does to his wife, is she, will have the dental payment assigned to the dentist to cover her kids dental work and he will go into his benefits and change the payment to go to him (this is legal btw) so the mom gets stuck paying out of pocket whrn his insurance company has covered it and he makes a profit off of the backs of his kids, so the mom can't afford to have her kids dental work done, she is no longer going to take them for annual dental checkups. so in this case, it is not bullshit, ppl can actually be this selfish.

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Originally posted by Kytracid They get the house, the car, the kids, the dog, a fat check at the end of the month...if i had tits i wouldn't be complaining either. Know your woman guys, and make sure the bitch signs a prenup so you don't get hosed. Oh, and deadbeat dads...step up and take care of your kids you lazy motherfucka's !

sheesh, I can't believe this is coming from you... i'm disapointed.

the best way not to 'get hosed' is to treat your wife properly.

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Originally posted by charmscars sheesh, I can't believe this is coming from you... i'm disapointed. the best way not to 'get hosed' is to treat your wife properly.

You're not actually suggesting that the only reason women divorce and 'hose' their husbands is because they get mistreated are you ? Excuse me if i won't allow myself to be naive. Just like there are plenty of deadbeat dads out there, weaseling out of their responsibilities to their ex-spouses and kids, there are plenty of cold hearted bitches who have gottten hitched up precisely with the intention of getting a divorce and living off their ex-spouse. That's a reality of the society we live in where there is such an uneven parity between what a man and woman is entitled to after a divorce.

Also, my comment was definately not meant to be taken at face value, since divorce situations differ, and therefore make it impossible to determine which party deserves what once a marriage is over. Unlike this thread, it's not simply a case of standing up for your gender. But since you have taken it seriously enough to be disappointed in me, notice that i did address both sexes, because in a divorce, both partines have to assume some degree of responsibility.

That being said, we can't ignore that women do come out winners when it comes to the divorce issue. They get custody, society sides with them, not to mention financial benefits. So once again, you'll excuse me if i side with the boys and approach the subject of marriage a little tentatively.

On a personal note, if i seem a little abrasive and jagged regarding the topic of divorce, it might be because i know a thing or two about the nature of betrayal when it comes to the fairer sex...

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Man, that idea with a few keys of coke in the locker, ha! Consider that stolen (in case I ever need it)

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The laws in Canada combined with the selfishness of most people make me highly question whether i will ever get married. The whole charade cheapens marriage if you ask me.

It's not about dodging your duties. It's about over extending one's capabilities combined with little or no accountability on the ex-wife/mother's side that we are talking about here.

Ladies, answer me this.

Why the hell should a guy fork over 2/3 of his after tax wages to some woman who is either working or is capable of working and sitting on her ass doing nothing? Wasnt the money supposed to be for kids?

My conclusion? Fairer % of child support. Child support caps. And receipts provided to prove that the money goes toward the kids and not the mother's crack habit, new lexus or mexican vacation.

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Amen. No one is saying that cases on both ends of the spectrum do not occur from Deadbeat rich exec fathers to Gold-digging coniving wifes.

What I fail to understand is the sheer removal of logic and reason put forth by the courts in meting out fair judgements. THat is all any guy here is hoping for but the fact is there is a highly visible and consistant slant which in most cases unfairly and unreasonably places punative punishment on the divorcee father.

Saving child-birth, there are very little obstacles left when it comes to female career and promotion opportunity. Most companies provide equally sponsored and paid Maternity AND Praternity leaves. This means any woman has full ability to advance her own life, career and income if they so chose. I've seen many cases in my own office where the mother has duly gone back to her chosen job while the father has taken a leave for the children. Yet why is the same old cry of poverty succesfully used by women in courts when it is clear this is a defunct arguement.

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Why? because it is the new societal trend (in the last 30 years) to blame the WASP white male for all societal evils. It's almost like it's "Payback time". In fact, ask some "feminists" and they will actually say "well this is how it was against us for so long" as if two wrongs make a right. Sadly, most men have been suckered into this belief and when somebody speaks to the contrary, "ists" and "isms" surface. Minority groups and women's groups use labels such as chauvinist, racist, and sexist to effectively shut down any opposition and/or any reasonable debate on these topics. It's their way or the highway.

Well I say this. It's time for men to take a stand and force debate on this subject. While it's true that women have had a hard time and still do in some circumstances, it's also true that there are a disproportionate number of males facing hardship as well. Sadly society chooses to ignore this.

To all the feminists: Don't you think that focussing on problems with men and ignoring problems with women is just as sexist as the actions that you are accusing many men of? Why is it that feminists are so quick to point out the the tiniest flaws in society when it may negatively impact them but blatantly ignore situations that are clearly sexist toward men?

These are the issues that need to be addressed in order for our society to advance.

I must say that I have never seen so much generalization in my life.

Yes, men are suffer just as women do and yes, some are overlooked but wake up guys! The ratio of violence and mis-conduct towards men pales in comparison to that of women.

Some of you have taken a subject deemed of great objective discussion and once again, have turned it into this vehement war of the sexes. Do you even know this male they speak of personally; yes, he could mal-treated but maybe not. The point is there are infinite possibilities to every case and it's alarming to see TAs reduce themselves to un-exposed elementary students. I would hope that someday we could respect each others opinions and not reduce peoples opinions as bunk!

jayx1, I won't even bother.

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Originally posted by Allegory Yes, men are suffer just as women do and yes, some are overlooked but wake up guys! The ratio of violence and mis-conduct towards men pales in comparison to that of women.

And this is not a generalization??

Allegory: Please address the questions I have presented

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The point is there are infinite possibilities to every case

Exactly my point. Now apply your commentaries to what I have been saying and maybe you get it.

I've seen it on a personal level with my own eyes and read many documented cases of men getting screwed by the system.

And what does this have to do with violence against women anyways? we are talking divorce laws. For the record, violence against men occurs more often than people think but is under reported. I remember even reading several cases where the husband called the cops on his absusive wife and they arrested him instead.

Allegory, with all do respect it is people like you who deny that there is a problem on both ends that perpetuate this unfortunate system.

You didn't read my post did you. I agree that men are targeted as well. I just feel you get really aggressive on points and it really isn't necessary.

A lot of times your points hold value but only partially because you get so angry! and your remarks are general. I must say that as the article indicated it is sad, but news is so sensationalized and we don't know that this gentleman isn't in some way responsible. I too, have witnessed both men and women suffer greatly and it is really awful that anyone should suffer such an injustice. But instead of ways to insult and belittle each other why not discuss possibilities of rectifying such a situation.

That is upsetting to me. Not your opinions, just the disgruntled way in which you propose them.

I believe there is more than enough intellect and insight on this board to be able to do just that; have a discussion where we can all impart our views and learn from each other.

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