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Originally posted by Rocco Marge, do you go through EVERY DJ's record crate to see what's been spun as vinyl or as CD? Let alone which CDs are a rip or an original?

that's not the point pierre.

you are totally missing it.

and as a matter of fact, i trust that djs aren't doing anything shady in the mixes they put up for download.

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Originally posted by che I just wonder if people would still be making that big of a deal about had Max no pointed it out.

well actually max fans have been waiting for this track for a while hearing samples of it here and there. so i'm pretty sure that someone would have said something.

I don't think anyone is claiming to be an angel here. Everyone downloads MP3's. The issue here was, a couple of things, the main being the track used was a new track which has not been released on any label yet. Therefore, you really had no legit way at all to have obtained that. Once it's released, it's anyone's game. Did you buy it, did you download it, one can only guess at this point. So as StereoPrincess mentioned, you now give everyone the benefit of the doubt and that they are in fact using "legit" copies when making new mixes and passing them around (not just to friends but to the general public).

Now, whether he claimed it was new vinyl (or according to the DJ, it was worded wrong and he didn't mean to convey that) not really the issue at hand.

Was this track actually the full thing or a set rip? I don't know personally, I think someone mentioned earlier that it was a set rip. If it was, bad idea, I don't think anyone needs to be told that either, thought that was fairly obvious myself.

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Originally posted by Rocco many many DJs on this board do that. Do i see you pointing the finger at each other and talk a load of bullshit? Problem is YES I DO. you tranceaddicts are full of it. SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT YOU. if Max had a problem with it, he should have contacted Alec personally. Besides, Gamma, you have more sense than that. You didn't have to point out Alec's mistake. We've all heard about it already. so what? Shit happens, u don't need to make him hate his life.

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Originally posted by che I just wonder if people would still be making that big of a deal about had Max no pointed it out. Seems like everyone jumped on the bandwagon. If Max pointed it out it had to be really bad. Yet i'm sure had he not said anything many would have downloaded the mix. Shit happens. He knows better now....let it go

What che said

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Originally posted by NuERA i highly doubt that any dj that plays out regularly uses mp3 cds, and if they do, well, then they are a wanker.

sasha, digweed, sander k, lawler, and many, many others ---> wankers????

Just a thought , The only thing that is legal to copy in Mp3 form is things broadcast on the radio, and of course backup copies! Technically copying something from a rradio signal is legal, so then wouldn't using that copy be legal. Technically its more legal than a regularly downloaded MP3, even though all MP3's here a legal now.

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!

Excerpt from ABC News:

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Making copies of regular radio broadcasts is legal, but it's not clear whether it's legal to record off streaming radio sites, said copyright law expert and Vanderbilt University law professor Steven Hetcher. "Generally, if you go to sites that do streaming audio, there will be terms in the license agreement … that you respect their copyrights and that they don't allow recording," he said.

It is legal to record from radio BUT NOT rebroadcast or present as a seperate entity as you did in the presentation of your set. Anyone can make copies for their own use but the minute you offered it up to other people you crossed the line. You'd be best to let it drop and not try to justify it.

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Originally posted by NuERA i highly doubt that any dj that plays out regularly uses mp3 cds, and if they do, well, then they are a wanker.

I've been using them lately. Just because a CDR was obtained from mp3 copies of tracks does not mean that they are illegal. Labels have been selling MP3s for some time and if I paid for them, I think I am allowed to be using them.

I would restate what you have as anyone who uses illegal MP3 CDs is a wanker. I think we need to be clear on where the line is drawn.

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion Excerpt from ABC News: It is legal to record from radio BUT NOT rebroadcast or present as a seperate entity as you did in the presentation of your set. Anyone can make copies for their own use but the minute you offered it up to other people you crossed the line. You'd be best to let it drop and not try to justify it.

I read this turned around and picked up the first vinyl I saw. Arabian Pleasure. Here's an exert from the copyrights labelled on the vinyl itself. "All Rights of the producer and of the owner of the work reproduced reserved. Unauthorised Copying, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting of this record prohibited."

So does that mean that any dj that plays material at a gig that isn't his/her own is illegally playing music. There defintely needs to be some clarification in the music industry.

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!

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Originally posted by alec I read this turned around and picked up the first vinyl I saw. Arabian Pleasure. Here's an exert from the copyrights labelled on the vinyl itself. "All Rights of the producer and of the owner of the work reproduced reserved. Unauthorised Copying, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting of this record prohibited." So does that mean that any dj that plays material at a gig that isn't his/her own is illegally playing music. There defintely needs to be some clarification in the music industry.

LOL. That's rediculous. So you can't do a gig with music that you don't own? Something's very confusing here.

Alec, you've made some good points. Really, the entire industry is messed, and the rules are rediculously undefined. I never understood how posting ANY sets online is legal, unless they contain all your own tracks.

Do DJs like Matt Darey, GTR, etc who put out consistent promo mixes available for download online actually go and get permission from every single artist? Do radio shows like ASOT or Essential Mix get permission for every track? Do the artists get royalties for every download/listener?

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So does that mean that any dj that plays material at a gig that isn't his/her own is illegally playing music. There defintely needs to be some clarification in the music industry.

No, most clubs, bars and pubs in Canada acquire a Live Performance license called a SOCAN license allowing for broadcast of copyrighted music material in a live or broadcast setting. THis is the law...now, how many adhere to that is up for debate but the regulation is clear and present.

Please read the following....it addresses your question directly:

https://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/about/faq/licensors.jsp

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