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NYGblue
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Most Anti-French Americans are people who have never been to France and know nothing about it. Hence why intelligent people ignore them.


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Old Post Oct-03-2004 02:03  Dominican Republic
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The same can be said about those who hate America.


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maybe... lol...


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Old Post Oct-03-2004 03:12  Dominican Republic
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Well unless people get their impressions of America from Disneyworld, but then we'd be the happiest place on earth.


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French military aid was also a decisive factor in the American victory. French land and sea forces fought on the side of the American colonists against the British. At the same time, British and French (and to a lesser extent, Dutch and Spanish) forces fought for colonial wealth and empire around the world. From 1778 through 1783 -- two years after the defeat of Cornwallis at Yorktown -- French forces fought the British in the West Indies, Africa and India.

From the perspective of the American Revolution, however, the high point of French support is the landing of five battalions of French infantry and artillery in Rhode Island in 1780. In 1781, these French troops under the command of Count Rochambeau marched south to Virginia where they joined Continental forces under Washington and Lafayette. Cornwallis, encamped on the Yorktown peninsula, hoped to be rescued by the British navy. A French fleet under the command of Admiral DeGrasse intercepted and, after a fierce battle lasting several days, defeated the British fleet and forced it to withdraw. This left the French navy to land heavy siege cannon and other supplies and trapped Cornwallis on the Yorktown peninsula.

At that point, the defeat of Cornwallis was essentially a matter of time. On September 14, 1781, the French and Continental armies completed their 700 mile march and soon thereafter laid siege to the British positions. After a number of weeks and several brief but intense engagements, Cornwallis, besieged on the peninsula by the large and well-equipped French-American army, and stricken by dysentery, determined to surrender his army. On October 19, 1781, the British forces marched out between the silent ranks of the Americans and French, arrayed in parallel lines a mile long, and cast down their arms.

Abbé Robin, who witnessed the surrender, described the victorious American and French forces present at the ceremony. "Among the Americans, the wide variety in age -- 12 to 14-year old children stood side by side with grandfathers -- the absence of uniformity in their bearing and their ragged clothing made the French allies appear more splendid by contrast. The latter, in their immaculate white uniforms and blue braid, gave an impression of martial vigor despite their fatigue. We were all astonished by the excellent condition of the English troops, by their number -- we were expecting scarcely 3,000 and they numbered more than 8,000 -- and by their discipline."

George Woodbridge summed up the Yorktown campaign in the following words: "The strategy of the campaign was Rochambeau’s; the French fleet was there as a result of his arrangements; the tactics of the battle were his; the American army was present because he had lent money to Washington; in total naval and military participants the French outnumbered the Americans between three and four to one. Yorktown was Rochambeau’s victory.

How strange it must have been for these French troops and their new-found colonial allies, some of whom had fought each other as enemies barely fifteen years earlier, to stand shoulder to shoulder in armed conflict with France’s ancient enemy and the colonist’s blood kin! In the end, these French soldiers became the hard anvil upon which the new American nation was forged and the chains of British imperial domination were finally broken.

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I think most Americans who behave anti-French are really just joking. There are a fair number of people who are serious, but they're just the same kind of people who always need to have someone to pick on in order to feel good about themselves - and they exist in every country.


Yeah i do realize that most people are just joking, but sometimes it just feels too much (and hell i dont even like many of france policies myself!). I even saw a clip of your funny president talking shit about french in some of his campaign speeches. I would be really offended if i heard someone elses president talk like that about my country, the president if someone should not act like that.

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Yoepus
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French military aid was also a decisive factor in the American victory. French land and sea forces fought on the side of the American colonists against the British. At the same time, British and French (and to a lesser extent, Dutch and Spanish) forces fought for colonial wealth and empire around the world. From 1778 through 1783 -- two years after the defeat of Cornwallis at Yorktown -- French forces fought the British in the West Indies, Africa and India.


And the French also fought against the Americans in the French-Indian war just a couple yeser earlier. Flip-flop anyone?




Point is, undoubtedly the French helped the Americans - however it wasn't that they were so much 'pro-American' as 'anti-British'.


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BadBadNeil
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Yeah i do realize that most people are just joking, but sometimes it just feels too much (and hell i dont even like many of france policies myself!). I even saw a clip of your funny president talking shit about french in some of his campaign speeches. I would be really offended if i heard someone elses president talk like that about my country, the president if someone should not act like that.


The french talk shit, the german talk shit, the canadians talk shit, the Americans talk shit. None of it really matters, its just a bunch of words, if schoolchildren can get over it, I am sure they can. If they really want to settle it they should get a cage and go on pay per view.


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ShadoWolf
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Fucking French.... give us back Savoy, Corsica, and hands off Monaco!!

Also, stop being a pain in the ass in Quebec!


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