excellent-executed gulfwar? I hope you meant that ironical!
And to blindly thrust a government who has done so much shit in the world is just ç%&%% (not good)!
And for the thing about everybody joins the USA. They dont all do that because they feel the USA do the right things, NO! Russia has same problems too, and they need somewhat the US, China same, and all these islamic countries, rememember that speech: "either you are with us, or you are against us", they have no choice, or they could face "justice" from the US. And besides that, as you can see in Pakistan, the governments, which many of them are installed by the US and its allies, dont represent the folk in many countries.

Im with you, that the US has do something against these attacks and bring the terrorists to justice. Even if they had indirectly caused the aggresions against them, they cant let them go without punish them. BUT, as I said, Im wondering what the US plans next. They could hope that after the bombardements the taliban is willing to deliver the US what they want, will not happen, or they send ground troops in a very difficult situation, the winter is coming, which is perhaps the only reasonable solution. Bombings alone are completely insane.

On the other hand the USA has to think about why this all happens. You cant attack every country (they said that they will fight terrorism, so they attack 80% of the world countries?) and hope there will be no osama2. But I know this is very difficult, and perhaps the only place where they could make a signal is israel.

The world is not in a good shape these days...

heres a piece i read in one o Hollands finest newspapers, de metro ( for the Dutchies), and i translated the entire fucking thing, so u better have smth to say about it

a month after the magnum opus of terrorism. the news still is being dominated by the attacks. last weeks, i noticed a big difference in what the media prestented to us, and they opinions of ppl i spoke with. after the blur in my mind that was caused by the attacks, i soon began to get annoyed by the powerful and hard language, the nationalism, the powerabusing, the arrogance and the waving of flags. the world was ment to be cut in 2 pieces. critisize America, and ur suspected. relativation is forbidden.

America kept going on putting their thoughts & will on the rest of the world. Praise the lord and consume. dont be affraid. keep on flying and eat them hamburgers. HALLELUJAH. God bless America. the thought of superiority was back once again. look into the mirror and keep saying to urself that ur the best, and always will be the best. think about the reason how and why? who needs it! who wants war, can get war. especially the words of the always awake farmer from Texas right after the hits made a deep impression on me: we gonna get them folks

last week, we finally got to hear smth else. against all odds not from America, but the chief of her biggest ally, the British premier Blair. still, no1 knows what the motives were for the attacks, but a better answer than the speech of Blair cant be found: "the moral power of a world that actis like a community". plz, tell me more, tell me more! i only dare to talk like that when its getting early at a party again and things suddenly seem very easy to solve.
Blair talks of unrestrained help, agrees with ppl when they say injustice, poverty and inviremental polution exists. power, welth and chances, so he says, should be in the hands of many, and not in the hands of few. i read his speech and i can hardly believe it. the ending is beautiful as well. "the hungry, the poor, the unknowing, those that live in the sadness of the deserts of North-Africa, the ghettos (couldnt think of a translation of krottenwijken, and this came closest to it) and the in mountains of Afghanistan: those r our cause as well."

hope lets live. also remarkable about Blairs speech is that he doesnt speak of god. whenever he succeeds in getting rid of that religious (again, not able to find the right word, this time for evangelische) way of speaking, im for his New Worldorder. cuz we should be done with the old religion imo. what have they brought us so far the last 2000 years? a source of antisemitism, anti-islamism, capitalism, communism and terrorism. still havent learned about the essence. cant we just give it a rest for 100 years? not infecting the next generations with fairytales.
facing the truth. solve all the crap in the world. not in the name of some god, but for humanitys sake. its sad to see politicians just start to realize everyones needs have to be forfilled. and its bizar to find out that terrorist attacks DO take effect on us. but for now, it stays with pretty words.

Sipco Poortinga, columnist, in De Metro of 9 oct. 2001


and now some reactions on other ppls posts:

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Originally posted by j_spot Foreign intervention is needed to protect WORLDWIDE interests. Just so happens that the only country with the balls and the power to do it is the USA.

balls?? no... power, yes, and i explained y in another post already, law of numbers, not more than normal that the USA has more power!!! but do they use their power right?? no, i dont believe they do, they think violence solves everything, violence only gets things worse... let them first solve their OWN problems (ghettos n stuff), prove they r capable of solving problems in a rational way... bring us prove bin Laden is REALLY behind the attacks, and then work out a way to bring him to justice, bombing Afghanistan does NOT bring him to justice, the only thing u do, is make it even harder to live there for those ppl, and all countries surrounding Afghanistan...

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Originally posted by TranceFusion I dont get why you would say something like that......I say God Bless America

shall i preech on about the US some more, or do u think his words kinda cover it all already?? this thread exists out of ppl giving their opinion about the USA, and they dont come out TOO good, and now, a fool like TranceFusion says smth like this... sad to see we r right bout the USA...

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Originally posted by Gekhous shall i preech on about the US some more, or do u think his words kinda cover it all already?? this thread exists out of ppl giving their opinion about the USA, and they dont come out TOO good, and now, a fool like TranceFusion says smth like this... sad to see we r right bout the USA...

And now, a fool like Gekhous reveals how stupid he is...
Let me ask you: After the terrible, horrible tragedy of Sept. 11, what is wrong when someone says "God bless America"? When people around the world say this, they sympathize with the victims and show their compassion to innocent people who were murdered !!! You ignorant, miserable fool! They don't need to love America, and yes they dislike many of the things about America (hell, I do myself, too, sometimes!) -- but they still say it to show that they are with the victims, against terrorism, and against murder!
They say it out of kindness, sympathy, and compassion.
Of course, may God bless America. If I wasn't American, even if I hated America, -- I'd still bless the victims and their families, and my prayers would be with them. I am a civilized human being. Unlike some people here.

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Yeah I also think that religion is not quite a good thing. It can be abused so easy.

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Originally posted by Eugene And now, a fool like Gekhous reveals how stupid he is... Let me ask you: After the terrible, horrible tragedy of Sept. 11, what is wrong when someone says "God bless America"? When people around the world say this, they sympathize with the victims and show their compassion to innocent people who were murdered !!! You ignorant, miserable fool! They don't need to love America, and yes they dislike many of the things about America (hell, I do myself, too, sometimes!) -- but they still say it to show that they are with the victims, against terrorism, and against murder! They say it out of kindness, sympathy, and compassion. Of course, may God bless America. If I wasn't American, even if I hated America, -- I'd still bless the victims and their families, and my prayers would be with them. I am a civilized human being. Unlike some people here.

After the terrible, horrible tragedy of Sept. 11, there is nothing wrong with saying that, but, however, there is smth wrong with KEEP on saying it, the words kinda lose value, and eversince we get beaten down with those words lately, yes, i get a bit sick of hearing them... like somebody else said in this thread, dont just bless America, bless the world, cuz we damn well need it!!!

and how the hell can u SOMETIMES dislike smth?? plz plz plz explain to me how, do u just dislike things when it turns out bad for u, and when it fits u at the moment, u like it?? id like to know...

and since i do not believe in god i wont bless the victims or their relatives, but i most certainly feel for em, but i got over it, it happened a month ago, and i dont live close enough to be confronted with it every day, like u might be...

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What I meant by balls was the will to do it. Say canada had been hit, what would we retaliate with? Snowballs?

by power I meant worldwide influence on everything.

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Originally posted by j_spot Now say you were to UP the amount of aid given, that means less for social programs and domestic spending. Now I dont know about you, but I pay taxes to help me and my country mates first off. How about we solve our problems of homelessness first, THEN take care of 'third world' countries. I wouldnt feel so bad then. People freeze to death on sidewalks here, why? cuz they cant even find a god damn shelter..they can get food, water, but cant find a fuckin place to stay so that they dont freeze to death? sorry, but ill take care of thise before I even start to spend more on foreign countries.

I know what ur saying, but this is still a result of the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. Something like the worlds wealthiest 10% own 90% of the worlds wealth. I'm just saying, it is easily more than possible for the people of this world to be able to ensure people dont starve to death (or freeze to death) in any country anywhere in the world. I think it is sad the amount of greed that drives our world today. I think in this way, the developed countries of the world, in particular america, are killing thousands of innocent people every day.

Some people in this forum just need a nice hug!!
God Bless the World Baby!

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Originally posted by mr_stamper it is easily more than possible for the people of this world to be able to ensure people dont starve to death (or freeze to death) in any country anywhere in the world. I think in this way, the developed countries of the world, in particular america, are killing thousands of innocent people every day.

So one moment you say the US interferes too much in the world and meddles in everyone's business, the next you say it's not doing enough in the world...

Which one is it? Make up your minds!

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Originally posted by Gekhous and how the hell can u SOMETIMES dislike smth?? plz plz plz explain to me how

What do you mean, "how" ??????
There are some things that I may dislike about this country or some of its policies, for example I can be for or against abortion, gun control, the drinking age of 21, -- hell, there are lots of little things you can like or dislike! That's what I meant!

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Originally posted by Eugene So one moment you say the US interferes too much in the world and meddles in everyone's business, the next you say it's not doing enough in the world... Which one is it? Make up your minds!

I said the US interferes too much?? and when exactly did i say that??