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With all of that, the fact still remains that nobody has seen a IAEA seal at that place since well before the war.
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This all might be moot considering surferfb's article however, the seals were confirmed a week before the war.
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ANTI-GUN KERRY
FACT: Kerry co-sponsors a bill that would ban all semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, a gigantic step toward bringing Australian-style gun control to the U.S.1
1. Signed on as co-sponsor of S. 1431 on Nov. 21, 2003.
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Goody ... I do actually enjoy these. The bill didn't ban all semi-automatic shotguns and all detachable magazine semi-automatic rifles you ninny. I thought you would have learned your lesson from last time to actually read the bill itself. The bill states that it bans:
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`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Armscor 30 BG;
`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
`(iii) Striker 12; or
`(iv) Streetsweeper.
`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.
`(E) Except as provided in clause (ii),
`(i) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
http://www.ceasefiremd.org/4_NalLeg...n/c_BillBan.htm
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So in essence it bans shotguns that have a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, the ability to accept a detachable magazine, or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. An example of such a shotgun looks a little something like this:
In essence, these are military or police issue shotguns and assult rifles. Does that shotgun look anything at all like Kerry's??? Nowhere in the bill does it outlaw ALL shotguns or semi-automatic rifles.
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FACT: Kerry says, "I think you ought to tax all ammunition, personally, I think you ought to tax guns."2
2.CNN "Late Edition," Nov. 7, 1993
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Is this some kind of argument??? We have a tax on all food, all medical care, all consumer goods and for some stupid reason we're supposed to get upset over a tax on ammunition and guns??? Please elaborate on why these goods should be tax free while all other goods are not?
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FACT: Kerry has voted nine times in favor of banning semi-auto firearms.3.
3.Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 295, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 294, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 293, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 375, Nov. 17, 1993; Vote No. 365, Nov. 9, 1993; Vote No. 133, June 28, 1990; Vote No. 103, May 23, 1990; Vote No. 102, May 23, 1990.
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These are all bills related to the assault weapons ban and once again they do NOT ban all semi-automatic firearms. They ban firearms with specific extra-lethal characteristics such as high capacity ammunition clips, folding stocks, etc. Now instead of trying to mislead everyone, why don't you go into the specifics of each bill and point out the reasons why the majority of senators should not have voted for them? Oh yea because you're either too lazy or too incompetant to argumentatively defend your position.
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FACT: Kerry has voted for a Ted Kennedy amendment to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by hunters and target shooters.4
4. Vote No. 28, March 2, 2004.
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Hmmm let's look into the bill once again shall we?
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SA 2619. Mr. KENNEDY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 1805, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others; as follows:
On page 11, after line 19, add the following:
SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.
(a) EXPANSION OF DEFINITION OF ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.--Section 921(a)(17)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in clause (i), by striking ``or'' at the end;
(2) in clause (ii), by striking the period at the end and inserting a semicolon; and
(3) by adding at the end the following:
``(iii) a projectile that may be used in a handgun and that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be capable of penetrating body armor; or
``(iv) a projectile for a centerfire rifle, designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability, that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be more likely to penetrate body armor than standard ammunition of the same caliber.''.
(b) DETERMINATION OF THE CAPABILITY OF PROJECTILES TO PENETRATE BODY ARMOR.--Section 926 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
``(d)(1) Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this subsection, the Attorney General shall promulgate standards for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor Exemplar.
``(2) The standards promulgated pursuant to paragraph (1) shall take into account, among other factors, variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired and the amount and kind of powder used to propel the projectile.
``(3) As used in paragraph (1), the term `Body Armor Exemplar' means body armor that the Attorney General determines meets minimum standards for the protection of law enforcement officers.''.
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Oh my God!!! A ban on ammunition that can penetrate the bullet proof vests that cops wear??? Oh the inhumanity!!!! However shall we hunt??? On to the next asinine argument ...
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FACT: Kerry has voted to close off hundreds of thousands of acres of the California Mojave Desert to hunting.5
5. Vote No. 87, April 12, 1994.
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You know what ... I know nothing about any of these votes or anything at all before I research them. Every single time I think I might happen upon a single point where I think to myself, "Damn that's a bad vote ... what was kerry thinking?" But it hasn't happened yet, and this ain't one of them. The 25-million-acre Desert is open to hunting. The bill voted by Kerry designated 1.4-million-acres of that 25 million acres as a nature preserve due to the fragile ecology of that region. The best part is yet to come though:
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As originally written in the California desert legislation, the East Mojave area was going to be redesignated a national park. Opposition to park establishment from hunting organizations like the Safari Club and the National Rifle Association held up the desert bill in Congress. The opposition was based more on principle than genuine concern about the loss of hunting opportunities. Almost no one hunted in the proposed preserve anyway, and the number of game animals is limited to a few hundred deer and bighorn sheep.
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/publisher...fe/his2_moj.htm
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FACT:Kerry has voted to hold the highly regulated American firearms industry legally responsible for the illegal acts of violent criminals.6
6. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004 ("poison pill" amendments).
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LOL the bill was intoduced by McCain (R), and co-sponsored by Dewine (R), Chafee (R), and five other democrats. Furthermore, the text of the bill doesn't hold the firearm industry responsible for illegal acts by violent criminals, it sets regulations for gunshow loopholes and finds them neglible if they fail to close such loopholes. Here look at the damn bill yourself:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...p/~r108Qvozsu::
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FACT: Kerry was one of only 18 Senators to oppose the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, which ended alarming abuses being committed under the 1968 Gun Control Act.7
7. Vote No. 142, July 9, 1985.
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Hmmm let's look at the major legislation of the bill passed after the assasination of Martin Luther King:
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Major Provisions:
Established categories of prohibited firearms purchasers and possessors.
Convicted felons, fugitives from justice, illegal drug users or addicts, minors, anyone adjudicated mentally defective or having been committed to a mental institution, anyone dishonorably discharged from the military, illegal aliens, anyone having renounced U.S. citizenship.
Licenses and set standards for gun dealers.
Establishes licensing fee schedule for manufacturers, importers, and dealers in firearms; sets record-keeping standards; requires licenses to be obtained from the Secretary of the Treasury; requires serial numbers on all guns.
Prohibits the mail-order sales of all firearms and ammunition.
Prohibits the interstate sale of firearms.
A handgun purchaser may only buy a gun in the state in which he/she resides; however, long gun sales to individuals in contiguous state that did not violate either state law, were allowed. (Today, long guns may be purchased from gun dealers in any state, regardless of purchaser's state of residence).
Sets age guidelines for firearms purchased through dealers.
— Handgun purchasers must be at least 21.
— Long gun purchasers must be at least 18.
Prohibits the importation of non-sporting weapons.
The importation of "Saturday Night Special" handguns and some semiautomatic assault rifles (the 43 weapons covered in the 1989 Bush Administration ban) as well as two military shotguns have been barred under this section of the law.
Sets penalties for carrying & using firearms in crimes of violence or drug trafficking.
Prohibits importation of weapons covered in the National Firearms Act and extends NFA restrictions to machine gun frames and receivers and conversion kits (i.e., parts to make machine guns).
Prohibits importation of foreign-made military surplus firearms.
Prohibited the sale and manufacture of new fully automatic civilian machine guns (effectively freezing the number of them in circulation).
This provision was adamantly opposed by the NRA. In fact, some of its most radical members did not want the McClure/Volkmer bill to pass if it contained this provision.
Immediately following the enactment of this law, the NRA announced that "its highest priority" in the next Congress would be to repeal the ban on machine guns. To date they have not introduced legislation to do this.
Prohibited the sale of parts or "conversion kits" - used to make semiautomatic firearms fully automatic.
Classifies silencer parts and kits as weapons falling under the National Firearm Act.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/...e=1968&menu=gvr
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I mean wow, the bill was so bad that Charleston Heston even supported it:
http://www.gunownersalliance.com/moses-1.htm
It's getting late ... I shall continue this argument tomorrow.
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