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Originally posted by d!abolic Injury during cardio? What the hell is she gonna do, hit the treadmill's EMERGENCY STOP button at 12mph by accident and fly into the wall?

If you do cardio in the maximum zone, it is likely that your form will suffer, which can lead to knee etc. injuries.

From what I understood, she isn't someone who's been running for a while, but a beginner. I have no doubt that an experienced 'exerciser/ athlete' will not have a problem running at very high intensity, yet keeping form.

Also, high intensity cardio workout will NOT burn much fat. Especially not for the first 9 mintues. You will rid yourself of carbs though, which isn't a bad thing in itself.

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Ok.

So far you people have given a lot of good replies, however, I would like to point out that I have a VERY little amount of fat to lose.

I am not looking to lose weight, I am looking to make my body look leaner and toned. I DO NOT NEED to lose weight. In fact, if I lose any weight, I will be underweight and I'm not aiming for anorexia here.

So... ermm...

What I am gathering:

-Drink loads of water
-Don't workout more than an hour each session
-Give myself a break (day in between each workout)
-Eat lots of proteins
-Stretch
-Cardio = running, cycling etc. which should be done at my max for 15 minutes of my workout
-Certain pain is good (the workout burn)
-Avoid carbs and sugars
-Eat every 3 hours


Umm, anything else I should add to that?

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Originally posted by drizzt81 If you do cardio in the maximum zone, it is likely that your form will suffer, which can lead to knee etc. injuries. From what I understood, she isn't someone who's been running for a while, but a beginner. I have no doubt that an experienced 'exerciser/ athlete' will not have a problem running at very high intensity, yet keeping form. Also, high intensity cardio workout will NOT burn much fat. Especially not for the first 9 mintues. You will rid yourself of carbs though, which isn't a bad thing in itself.

True, i don't think someone who's just starting should do HIIT. Unless she's doing some form of cardio already. Also, if you're starting HIIT, you should add 60 seconds every second workout. So you'd start at 4 minutes for the first two times, 5 minutes the next two, 6 the next and so on. You'd go up to 15 minutes. Not 9, i dunno where that figure came from. 15 minutes of HIIT 3-4 times a week gives INCREDIBLE results when combined with a good diet and lifting program. It burns a LOT of fat, more than any other form of cardio out there. This has been proven through studies and tested by thousands upon thousands of people, myself included. Check out johnstonefitness.com and gettingripped.com for some photos of how HIIT makes fat melt away at insane rates.

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok. So far you people have given a lot of good replies, however, I would like to point out that I have a VERY little amount of fat to lose. I am not looking to lose weight, I am looking to make my body look leaner and toned. I DO NOT NEED to lose weight. In fact, if I lose any weight, I will be underweight and I'm not aiming for anorexia here. So... ermm... What I am gathering: -Drink loads of water -Don't workout more than an hour each session -Give myself a break (day in between each workout) -Eat lots of proteins -Stretch -Cardio = running, cycling etc. which should be done at my max for 15 minutes of my workout -Certain pain is good (the workout burn) -Avoid carbs and sugars -Eat every 3 hours Umm, anything else I should add to that?

There is no need for a break from exercising every second day. I meant a break from lifting. Not necessary either, but would make sense to do so if you're only gonna lift 3 days a week. So mon, wed, fri as opposed to mon, tue, wed. You only need one day a week of full rest, two if you like.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker ECA is 2nd best to dinitrophenol for fat loss. T3 (Cytomel) and Clenbuterol works well too - but is very hard/costly to import.

ECA better than T3/Clen???? What planet are you from?

-Your Mother

With regards to the idea that "Certain pain is good (the workout burn)"

The "workout burn" isn't really pain. There's a big difference between fatigue and pain. Real pain likely means you're actually injuring yourself. You should stop what you're doing and see if you're doing something wrong.

Many people use cardio to warm up. But remember that you can definitely injure yourself running or cycling. So if it's your warmup, then let it be a warm up. Take it easy. Leave plenty of energy for the actual workout.

Intervals are great, as many have noted already. Someone mentioned possibly losing form while going at near-max intensity, but one thing about intervals is that they are also short enough that you can pay attention to your form for the whole duration. You should never blank out and make your body go as hard as it can for as long as it can.

To be honest, Theresa, you look perfectly fine from those pix. If I were you I'd take up salsa or hip hop dancing or something fun as well as going to the gym.

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Originally posted by Your Mother ECA better than T3/Clen???? What planet are you from?

Planet tired.

It should be:

1. dinitrophenol
2. t3/clen
3. eca

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Originally posted by QryS With regards to the idea that "Certain pain is good (the workout burn)" The "workout burn" isn't really pain. There's a big difference between fatigue and pain. Real pain likely means you're actually injuring yourself. You should stop what you're doing and see if you're doing something wrong. Many people use cardio to warm up. But remember that you can definitely injure yourself running or cycling. So if it's your warmup, then let it be a warm up. Take it easy. Leave plenty of energy for the actual workout. Intervals are great, as many have noted already. Someone mentioned possibly losing form while going at near-max intensity, but one thing about intervals is that they are also short enough that you can pay attention to your form for the whole duration. You should never blank out and make your body go as hard as it can for as long as it can. To be honest, Theresa, you look perfectly fine from those pix. If I were you I'd take up salsa or hip hop dancing or something fun as well as going to the gym.

Yea, there are many types of pain or burn. There is 'lung burn' that all of us have surely experienced. It's what how you feel after running like a pack of rabid dogs is after you for a couple of minutes. That's the way you should feel about 12 out of the 15 minutes that are yout HIIT session.

There is also 'acid burn' you feel in the muscle group being exercised. People used to think this is a good thing, but it isn't. It's actually lactic acid causing the pain because you're doing too many reps. You'll feel it if you do over a dozen reps of anything. Definitely not a good thing.

And then there's the injury / slight injury / pulled muscle pain. You'll know it when you feel it. STOP as soon as you do. Say you did a set of tricep presses and your left one feels kinda funny, as if you pulled it little. And two minutes later, it's still there. Well then, that's it for your triceps for the next week. Let em rest, respect your injuries, even little ones.

Oh and... with cardio, you warm up for cardio. Not for lifting. This makes about as much sense as warming up your biceps before sprinting. For lifting, you warm up with light lifting. OF THAT VERY SAME MUSCLE GROUP ONLY. Everything else is a waste of your time. As are cooldowns. Absoltely unnecessary as far as i know.

P.S. Where are the pics that people keep mentioning? Here are mine:

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Originally posted by d!abolic P.S. Where are the pics that people keep mentioning? Here are mine:

I took mine down because within 10 seconds I had a reply that made me wary of how people will respond.

Anyway... I may post them later...... MAYBE!

vaGEEN

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One tip I always give girls is DON'T BE AFRAID OF HEAVY WEIGHTS. Girls always think if they lift heavy they will be huge. Only a rare female has the genetics to put on alot of muscle. For the average chick, lifting heavy (mostly on legs) will result in firm muscles and a nice round ghetto booty . Not to mention, it will burn a hell of alot more calories.

There was a girl at my gym that would lift surprisingly heavy, not too much but she wasn't afraid to move up in weights. And her body was smoking hot, not too muscular, but way more shapely than most girls at the gym. Every guy there drooled over her and we laughed over the fact that she would often lift more than some of the guys there.

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Originally posted by jdjd One tip I always give girls is DON'T BE AFRAID OF HEAVY WEIGHTS. Girls always think if they lift heavy they will be huge. Only a rare female has the genetics to put on alot of muscle. For the average chick, lifting heavy (mostly on legs) will result in firm muscles and a nice round ghetto booty . Not to mention, it will burn a hell of alot more calories. There was a girl at my gym that would lift surprisingly heavy, not too much but she wasn't afraid to move up in weights. And her body was smoking hot, not too muscular, but way more shapely than most girls at the gym. Every guy there drooled over her and we laughed over the fact that she would often lift more than some of the guys there.

Hmm good tip

Thank you!

it looks like your getting alot of good tips from people..

i have a program that my friend in kinesiology uses to calculate caloric intake. protein intake vitamins and what not.. it gives you all information in bar graphs and can actually calculate what you should be eating in percentages in order to loose the required weight per week. ranging from 1 - 2.5 pounds i think


you simply enter teh food you want to eat and it will give you ALL the nutritional information on it.. since the program has a vast database



as for the workouts

cardio is going to be the best for fat burn.. but your going to want to build muscle as well if you want a solid and firm body..

Stretching is very very important.. dont take it for granted.. you need to elongate your muslces (Especially after a workout) in order for them not to contract to much during the healing process

Especially if you are doing high intensity training

And look up whether its wise to be eating so frequent during a day

I heard that thats what people who WANT TO GAIN weight do

(im assuming thats why diabolic is diong that) and i am doing the same thing as well

pm me for more details on that program Theresa..