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Originally posted by ShadoWolf No.

really? never heard of Romans, Spaniards, Nazis?



nice 2 articles

so the Christians felt threatened by Islam, so they defend themself by going out and massacring Muslims and Jews...
still an invasion

+ ive read my share of biased opinions on NRO

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Originally posted by Kzwei really? never heard of Romans, Spaniards, Nazis? nice 2 articles so the Christians felt threatened by Islam, so they defend themself by going out and massacring Muslims and Jews... still an invasion + ive read my share of biased opinions on NRO

They didn't just "feel" threatened - they were threatened. Muslims conquered Spain, Sicily, and the Balkans. Their goal was AND IS world conquest.

And I provided more than one source (not just NRO).

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Islam's Nazi Connections

whats the point of these pictures?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf They didn't just "feel" threatened - they were threatened. Muslims conquered Spain, Sicily, and the Balkans. Their goal was AND IS world conquest. And I provided more than one source (not just NRO).

I dont deny that defense was a reason for the Crusades, but the method is key to the legitimacy of the campaign. Yes they were initially called up to Byzantine to defend against the Turks, which is just, but on the way they were ransacking cities and slaughtering innocent people, solely based on religion. thats where they went wrong.
And if the crusades were just some magnamimous defense to the threat of Islam why then did the Crusaders also kill Jews and other non-Christians? it can be said that the Crusades were a defensive maneuver, as well as an offensive to conquer land and wealth and spread religion.
your articles are bias because they only discuss evidence of the former

oh & the main reason the Crusades were unjust even if they were defensive...

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As fellow monotheists, Christians were considered a "People of the Book". Christians remained unharmed during the Muslim expansion, but occasionally were restricted by prohibitive taxes and laws.

its from your first article. Shouldn't they just have conquered the lands back without killing everyone? i think so.

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Originally posted by Kzwei ever heard of an invading army that were Christian? by your logic we deserve systematic mass genocide and torture as well for the invasions and colonizations by the Brits or French or whatever serbs killed like 7000 muslims in a couple days... now thats SAVAGE

Heh, I remember that pic...you know, the whole situation with Bosnia was that it was basically a totally multicultural and secular society. They were all for Yugoslavia and socialism at the time. It's exclusively Milosevic's (well, partially Tudjman's too) fault that the state ended up this way. The muslims surfaced only after the war started, prior to that religion was absolutely irrelevant in most people's eyes. If it weren't for Milosevic and his serbian nationalistic movement back in the 80's, Bosnia would have been a relatively prosperous and secular state and Yugoslavia would now probably be a confederation with peaceful albanian minority.

Now, as for the crusades, their effect upon Byzantine empire was pretty questionable. They only succeeded in liberating the holy land for 100 years or so. But as soon as crusaders came to Constantinopole, they robbed it and slaughtered local civilians. Then they failed in their quest, but on the way back to Venice, they managed to rob every relevant town on the adriatic coast.

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Multiculturalism in Yugoslavia was a joke, as it is everywhere else. As soon as the State collapsed, so did multicultural society. It's unnatural and can only be supported by a powerful state against the will of the people.

Just watch, the minute the EU Forces leave Bosnia there will be war again.

If the Muslims go back to Turkey there will be peace in the Balkans.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf They didn't just "feel" threatened - they were threatened. Muslims conquered Spain, Sicily, and the Balkans. Their goal was AND IS world conquest. And I provided more than one source (not just NRO).

Lol, you talk like you are some sort of leading authority on this subject when all your theological ammunition is a bunch of obscure internet links. I think you deserve a cookie for your efforts.

Your petty effort to link Islam and Nazism is quite baffling seeing that you are only putting your own faith (I assume that is Christianity) in the firing line seeing that Adolf was a Christian along with the whole of Austria and Germany at the time.

Maybe you should get off your computer more often. The cold Canadian air will do you some good.

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Originally posted by razmataz Your petty effort to link Islam and Nazism is quite baffling seeing that you are only putting your own faith (I assume that is Christianity) in the firing line seeing that Adolf was a Christian along with the whole of Austria and Germany at the time.

Hitler denounced his Catholic faith.

http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/thepagan.htm

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This is because Christianity is a religion of peace and equality. Christianity, which believes in and tries to bring people to live by love, compassion, sacrifice, affection and humility, is the complete antithesis of fascism.

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The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state.

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Hitler opined to Albert Speer that he wished Germany had been converted to Islam instead of Christianity, the better to suit it to ruthless warfare.

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Originally posted by razmataz ...when all your theological ammunition is a bunch of obscure internet links. I think you deserve a cookie for your efforts.

Its going to be a while before you subside your inane profanity. No wonder though, because you surround yourself by a limited finiteness on the internet. Do you really think some offhand quote from a random internet website is going to win you an argument in a real debate? Do yourself a favour and read a book.

Your whole petulant "my religion is better than yours" bickering is flawed from the get-go because with all rationality: THERE IS NO GOD.

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Originally posted by Electrotek Considering the fact that it was YOUR people who started the whole war in the Balkans, and considering that the majority of the atrocities in the Balkans were committed by the Serbs, I have every single right to call you out on your hypocrisy. I guess you liked it when you Serbs slaughtered women and children in Srebrenica, right? Radical Muslims? How the fuck are they radical? Because they were defending their homes and their families from warmongering Serbs who were hellbent on death and destruction? Yeah that makes them radical You want justice huh? Why don't you start taking action against Mladic and Karadzic before you mention justice. Justice needs to be done upon the Serbs for what they have done in the Balkans. Albanians don't like Christians? Gee, I wonder how they get along with their Catholic counterparts, considering that they consider themselves brothers and even celebrate holidays together

This guy is either either islamic sympathizer of mujahadeen type or just completely brainwashed and ignorant. I am not into diagnosis over internet but I won't respond to your emotional non sense.

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Originally posted by Kzwei ever heard of an invading army that were Christian? by your logic we deserve systematic mass genocide and torture as well for the invasions and colonizations by the Brits or French or whatever serbs killed like 7000 muslims in a couple days... now thats SAVAGE

Really?
I think this is more savage http://www.balkanpeace.org/temp/tmp13.html "very graphic and not for faint hearted"

Mujahadeens were beheading their victims victims long before Iraq.

Srebrenica is the biggest lie of Balkan wars. Figures kept rising from like 4 to 5 to 6 etc. So how many is it and where is the proof?
Just because your controlled media keeps repeating same crap doesn't make it true. In fact it's more than suspicious.
Not to mention savage crimes by Islamists around Srebrenica on christian population that they filmed but were never shown on your tv .

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Multiculturalism in Yugoslavia was a joke, as it is everywhere else. As soon as the State collapsed, so did multicultural society. It's unnatural and can only be supported by a powerful state against the will of the people.

The state of the society in Yugoslavia was not against the will of the people until the late 80's when economic crisis caused richer parts of the country to be dissatisfied about helping the poorer parts and getting nothing in return. Bosnia, on the other hand, collapsed exclusively because of external Serbian and later Croatian agression.

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Just watch, the minute the EU Forces leave Bosnia there will be war again.

Depends. If they left now, maybe. If they wait for a few more years, I don't think so.

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If the Muslims go back to Turkey there will be peace in the Balkans.

I don't think the Turkish muslims are the core of the problem. Turkey is a pretty much secular and modern country. The troublesome muslims are those coming from other areas.

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