Yeah...progressive trance = lead synth repeating but bass chord changing, giving it a feeling of "progression".


I wouldn't believe that "progressive is a state of mind" bullshit if I were you.

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Originally posted by Radagast Yeah...progressive trance = lead synth repeating but bass chord changing, giving it a feeling of "progression". I wouldn't believe that "progressive is a state of mind" bullshit if I were you.

Ding ding. Correct.

Also, I completely agree with what you said about the redundancy of "melodic trance". Melodic can sometimes be useful as a colloquial term for describing a certain sound (even so it's pretty dubious), but as an actual label it's completely devoid of meaning. All trance has melody, whether it's distorted and mechnical or twinkly faux-xylophone crap.

However, I don't know what the hell you're talking about with "ambient trance." Trance necessarily has a kick and/or bassline as a backbone, breakdown fluff excluded. If it doesn't, it's ambient.

Oh, and getting back to the original topic, "uplifting" and "epic" are pretty much interchangeable as trance describers, but epic is the appropriate term. "Uplifting trance" can be characterized -- it's not wholly subjective -- but it's a shifty definition that is well covered by "epic" already.

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Originally posted by Ory What kind of stupid topic is this? All music is not "uplifting". People listen to/create music for a bunch of different reasons; to express anger, joy, sadness, or just get totally brainfucked. While you're at it, why not bitch about the word trance? Not all trance puts you in a trance, does it? No, because it's all subjective. Fucking idiotic thread...

doesnt matter what kind of feeling it is.. if i listen to a sad track it is still uplifting to me in that way it makes me feel good by listening.. and please, no need to be so angry.. som much anger these days..

i made this topic cause im so sick of people asking about "Uplifting trance, and uplifting melodic trance etc."

I respect ur opinion though.. and no we wont go as far as discussion the word "trance" please..

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Originally posted by Subtle doesnt matter what kind of feeling it is.. if i listen to a sad track it is still uplifting to me in that way it makes me feel good by listening.. and please, no need to be so angry.. som much anger these days.. i made this topic cause im so sick of people asking about "Uplifting trance, and uplifting melodic trance etc." I respect ur opinion though.. and no we wont go as far as discussion the word "trance" please..

What about music that isn't 'uplifting' to you? Is all that just plain crap, and not music at all?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Subtle ok, I am sick and tired of the words spread on the net "uplifting trance" "uplifting track" "uplifting melodic trance" etc. etc. etc. I mean, isnt every kind of music uplifting? if u like POP u will find the tracks u like uplifting, the same is with rock, hip-hop, jazz etc, there is no such things as uplifting trance,or uplifintg melodic trance, I mean trance is uplifitng for u, IF u like the tune, and for those who doesnt like progressive house, cause they dont find it uplifting, the reason may simply be.. u dont like it.. if I listen to a good rock tune, its uplifiting to me, the same with another progressive track that i like.. simply cause i like it and it gets me in a good mood.. Uplifting is very simple another word for good/superb.. (i havent put my flame suit on, but flame away)

I back you up SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH on this!!!!!

I'm sick of that fucking "uplifting" word too!

Oh, and what the fuck is up with that "Epic Trance" shit? There couldn't be a worse term to describe that genre, since there's certainly nothing "epic" about it. My idea of epic trance is a tune so fucking good and so fucking trascendent that it blows your mind. Examples of this can be "Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar" and "Three Drives On A Vinyl - Greece 2000". Do you really think that anything by Ian Van Dahl (which is labeled as epic trance) is epic? Oh, give me a fucking break!

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Originally posted by Ory What about music that isn't 'uplifting' to you? Is all that just plain crap, and not music at all?

well, SCREW the term uplifting.. thats the point.. and if it is uplifting or not, depens on the mood and state im in..

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Originally posted by woscar99 I back you up SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH on this!!!!! I'm sick of that fucking "uplifting" word too! Oh, and what the fuck is up with that "Epic Trance" shit? There couldn't be a worse term to describe that genre, since there's certainly nothing "epic" about it. My idea of epic trance is a tune so fucking good and so fucking trascendent that it blows your mind. Examples of this can be "Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar" and "Three Drives On A Vinyl - Greece 2000". Do you really think that anything by Ian Van Dahl (which is labeled as epic trance) is epic? Oh, give me a fucking break!

Your definitions aren't very objective. It's okay to say "tracks x and y sound uplifting to me", but that's not a basis for naming a genre. Genres and subgenres typically have objective elements that roughly describe them, disconnected from emotion. (That's why "uplifting" is such a poor label).

"Epic" came into use around 1997, from Epic House. The trademark was a sweeping texture of trance-inspired sounds (pads, washes) supported by an extended melody of typically 32+ bars (often piano-based). The melodies moved beyond the piano numbers of Epic House, but the structure has remained essentially the same. It's called Epic Trance because it's convention held over from the mid-nineties.

Epic basically fused with anthem trance from 1999 to 2001, after which anthem basically fell out and epic stood on its own again, morphed into Dutch form.

Greece 2000 is more or less progressive trance, albeit in a very obvious style. Cafe del Mar (I assume you're talking about the Three 'n One Remix) is a combination of progressive and anthem trance.

I hope to have a trance subgenre guide up and running in the next couple months. Until then you should reference Ishkur's.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Your definitions aren't very objective. It's okay to say "tracks x and y sound uplifting to me", but that's not a basis for naming a genre. Genres and subgenres typically have objective elements that roughly describe them, disconnected from emotion. (That's why "uplifting" is such a poor label). "Epic" came into use around 1997, from Epic House. The trademark was a sweeping texture of trance-inspired sounds (pads, washes) supported by an extended melody of typically 32+ bars (often piano-based). The melodies moved beyond the piano numbers of Epic House, but the structure has remained essentially the same. It's called Epic Trance because it's convention held over from the mid-nineties. Epic basically fused with anthem trance from 1999 to 2001, after which anthem basically fell out and epic stood on its own again, morphed into Dutch form. Greece 2000 is more or less progressive trance, albeit in a very obvious style. Cafe del Mar (I assume you're talking about the Three 'n One Remix) is a combination of progressive and anthem trance. I hope to have a trance subgenre guide up and running in the next couple months. Until then you should reference Ishkur's.

Actually, what you just did was literally describe epic trance and anthem trance the way Ishkur did. I visited that website quite some time ago and although it's very complete, that list is biased as fuck!!! The man bashes every genre he dislikes. I hope you can come up with a better, unbiased version of Ishkur's guide.

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Originally posted by woscar99 Actually, what you just did was literally describe epic trance and anthem trance the way Ishkur did. I visited that website quite some time ago and although it's very complete, that list is biased as fuck!!! The man bashes every genre he dislikes. I hope you can come up with a better, unbiased version of Ishkur's guide.

Biased? That's sort of the point. Hence Ishkur's Guide.
There's even a disclaimer to clarify that.

I make no claims of unbiased guide-making -- I have my own preferences which will invariably find their way into the thing -- but I am known to be a bit less, uh, abrasive than Ish.

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Genres and subgenres typically have objective elements that roughly describe them, disconnected from emotion. (That's why "uplifting" is such a poor label).

Very Nice...

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Originally posted by Cobalt Biased? That's sort of the point. Hence Ishkur's Guide. There's even a disclaimer to clarify that. I make no claims of unbiased guide-making -- I have my own preferences which will invariably find their way into the thing -- but I am known to be a bit less, uh, abrasive than Ish.

Yes, but Ishkur's guide is so biased it's ridiculous. I know it's HIS guide and he can do whatever he wants with it, but I think it would be soooooo much better and useful if he would just relax a bit.