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Originally posted by St_Andrew an independent group to look into it as the article suggest sounds good i think... and you cant possibly say that the situation on guatmano is acceptable in a human rights perspective?

well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

what if orange isnt your favourite colour?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

well except for a trial, its only the possible abuse thing that worries me... but oh well i guess those two are only minor things

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil well guantanamo was never supposed to be the Hilton. They are people who tried to intentionally kill american soldiers, who are terrorists, and oppressors and murderers of the afghan people. They have food, shelter, water, prayer time, neat orange outfits. Other than a lawyer what else are they missing?

The word ironic comes to mind...but irony is probably more appropriate

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well except for a trial, its only the possible abuse thing that worries me... but oh well i guess those two are only minor things

Well do you judge every american soldier based on a few photos which really only showed under 10 people committing crimes? Abuse is bad, I agree, but to what extent is this supposed to be monitored? Maybe the red cross needs their own jail system.

I guess every iraqi is a terrorist because a few of them like to blow up cars and kill their own people.

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Originally posted by Dupz what if orange isnt your favourite colour?

Your right. If I ran a prison my inmates would have rainbow outfits so no one could complain that their favorite color wasn't included. The world would love my sympathy.

I'm not sure what is ironic zig. When they take prisoners they torture them, put them on tv to beg in front of their families, threaten them, set unobtainable demands, use them for political purposes, and then cut their heads off by sawing very slowly with a dull knife while they scream with thier hands tied behind their backs to the point where the scream becomes a sound of gurgling blood mixed with puffs of air as their vocal cords are detached, yet you see their mouths moving in pain until their spinal cord is severed and blood pours onto the floor. Finally when the tough membranes and bones are cut only then the person dies, and their heads are held up and placed on their backs. I guess the orange jumpsuits are a bit ironic

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Well do you judge every american soldier based on a few photos which really only showed under 10 people committing crimes? Abuse is bad, I agree, but to what extent is this supposed to be monitored? Maybe the red cross needs their own jail system. I guess every iraqi is a terrorist because a few of them like to blow up cars and kill their own people.

where did i say that? what im trying to say is that there is several indications that this was NOT the only case of abuse, and it has been several reports from some of the released guatomano prisoners that abuse did happen in there. These reports are not taken seriously by the Bush administration, perhaps they know something that they want to hide, perhaps they just know that this is not happening, doesnt really matter, it gives the wrong signals to not take care of the problem.

It all comes down to this, treat prisioners (whether or not you think they are protected by the Geneva Convetions) just as you would wish for Americans in custody to be treated.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew where did i say that? what im trying to say is that there is several indications that this was NOT the only case of abuse, and it has been several reports from some of the released guatomano prisoners that abuse did happen in there. These reports are not taken seriously by the Bush administration, perhaps they know something that they want to hide, perhaps they just know that this is not happening, doesnt really matter, it gives the wrong signals to not take care of the problem.

I'm sure Bush knows something, I doubt he'd order anything himself however. You don't honestly expect him to go on the air and admit to knowing about it, do you? I don't think any world leader would incriminate himself. Leaders of country are shady folk and they know much more than we can probably possibly dream.

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It all comes down to this, treat prisioners (whether or not you think they are protected by the Geneva Convetions) just as you would wish for Americans in custody to be treated.

Should that apply when the enemy doesn't apply the same treatment to your own prisoners or when the enemy doesn't recognize the Geneva Conventions?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Should that apply when the enemy doesn't apply the same treatment to your own prisoners or when the enemy doesn't recognize the Geneva Conventions?

Yes, I couldn't have been more pissed off than when I saw the tape of Nick Berg being killed, or the several other people after him. I think those people are the scum of the earth for violating innocent people's lives, but we have to show we are the better people, because we are. If we treat them th same way, it will justify their actions. With treating them with respect while they degrade human life, it points out who's noble.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I'm sure Bush knows something, I doubt he'd order anything himself however. You don't honestly expect him to go on the air and admit to knowing about it, do you? I don't think any world leader would incriminate himself. Leaders of country are shady folk and they know much more than we can probably possibly dream.

well, it would make look good imo, that he dares to deal with the problems and be the strong leader he says he is

not even when the iraqi prisoner scandal was the biggest issue, he seemed to take it serious, that is soooo giving the wrong signals.

All American soldiers are criminals, they invade a country without any reason. What did the Iraqie citizens (the people in abu graib) do to America to abuse them like dogs?(no one would do that to a dog except Americanes and zionists)And people in guatonomobay are innocent cuz the americanes arrested them in their country Afhanistan. Since when did america rule Afghanistan or Iraq?
And even then there is no proof that they did anything wrong (law).
And then they put them in jail for years