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E2EK1EL
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Should I pay 5.00 when I take a shit in a public washroom ?

Old Post Feb-10-2005 00:22  China
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Jayx1
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Should I pay 5.00 when I take a shit in a public washroom ?


According to this type of mentality the answer would be yes


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Old Post Feb-10-2005 00:23  Canada
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The Highroller
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Flying over the cuckoo's nest

As has been said before in this thread, it would be a great idea if our subway system wasn't FUCKING PATHETIC! There is nothing that irks me more about this city than the TTC. There is no reason it should be as bad as it is.

No wonder Toronto's nightlife sucks ass. Here are the options for my group of friends that live in my area:

1. Go to a club sober so you can drive home.
2. Drive home drunk.
3. Take a $30 cab home
4a. Walk to University Ave.
b. Wait 15-30 minutes in freezing cold
c. Board
d. Get off at bloor
e. Wait 15-20 minutes in the freezing cold
f. Take bus for 30 minutes to get home
e. Get off bus
f. Take $7 taxi home

Sure it's not bad doing this every once in a while (except for option 2), but it certainly gets tiring to do it too often.

You want to ease up grid lock? FIX THE FUCKING TTC!!!

Old Post Feb-10-2005 02:30 
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TDG
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Greater Toronto Sprawl

Someone in my family (can't remember who right now, I've been drinkin' again), was in dallas last year. apparently they don't have ANY public transit in that city.

Now I don't recall what traffic congestion is like in that city, but if there's no transit, they must've invested alot in maintaining the roads.

Now, I look at Toronto, and I think to myself, Wow. Sometimes I think they simply don't care at all about infrastructure. The roads are decaying, the streetcars are useless, the subway's pathetic. The population is growing, downtown is getting more and more dense thanks to Condo development. The city's population is growing up AND out at the same time, and transit isn't showing any signs of even TRYING to keep up.

Tolls in the core will only make things worse for everyone. Those who rely on cars for whatever reason will be more screwed, and the subways and streetcars will be more crowded.

I've seen this city from the POV of the transit user, the downtown driver, and the out-of-towner. Unless they can come up with an ass-load of money (like higher property taxes on luxury condos or some other way to chisle the rich folk), it's only a matter of time before the city collapses under it's own weight.

Yaaaaaaay rant!


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Old Post Feb-10-2005 02:39  Canada
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dallastar
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Registered: Jul 2003
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when i was readin this earlier, i thought it said polls, opps!

well i understand and watched all about this sproposed idea on the news while eattin' dinner this evening.


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DigiNut
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

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Originally posted by k la
Actually, it refers to the fact the predominantly ethnic communities get dumped on all the time, such as Africville in Nova Scotia. In this sense, the bad areas of Washington get the tail end of the transit service. While the TOURISTY areas with MONEY get the benefits of the system, it comes at the cost of the poor. Poorer area's, which in the states are usually ethnic areas, always are the victims of the richs greed.

What on earth are you on, dude... is it not common sense that those with more money get more benefits? Or are you a communist? The system doesn't come at the COST of the poor at all, it comes at the COST of the rich because they're footing the bill. It's when the GOVERNMENT builds it then it comes at the cost of the poor, because EVERYBODY pays taxes, not just the RICH.

In case you hadn't realized, things like subways cost money. Money has to come from somewhere. There's essentially two choices: either the "rich" people pay for it (free market), or everybody pays for it (socialist) - which do you honestly prefer?


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Old Post Feb-10-2005 04:19  Canada
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infinity HiGH
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: west side T.O

quote:
Originally posted by TDG
Unless they can come up with an ass-load of money (like higher property taxes on luxury condos or some other way to chisle the rich folk), it's only a matter of time before the city collapses under it's own weight.


How about the Liberals take that 9.1 billion that they have stashed in foundations and put it to good use and give it all to Toronto?

Old Post Feb-10-2005 04:31  Poland
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http://www.central.on.caa.ca/CAA_Mo...xpressnosur.pdf


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malek
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

am I repeating myself by saying that paying off our debt with those huge surpluses is stupid considering how our infrastructures are lacking?!?!

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RobbyG.
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Toronto

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Originally posted by Jayx1


The TTC is packed wall to wall all the time!


The problem is that the federal and provincial governments give virtually no money to support the TTC.

That and the TTC as an entity is pretty wasteful as well



ALL these points here are %1000 true...Bottom line is that the government (prov. or fed.) have no vision.They pay consultants HUGE bucks for planning & they either go half-ass or do nothing...

As for the TTC being wasteful???...dude you have NO idea...I work there fixing buses and you wouldn't believe how many "staff" jobs management have created.Even the location I'm at they have more staff positions that are SO not necessary.A survey of documents indicated that the TTC had 27 people earning $100,000 or more in 1999 (this was during the then CGM David Gunn's reign).By 2003 the number had more then TRIPLED to 86

Another lil tidbit I have for you is that the pay of the current CGM Rick Ducharme, who moved over from GO Transit in 2000, had soared from $164,997 to $241,519 by 2003 , even though the annual inflation rate never passed 2.8 percent in that time period.

The previous CGM David Gunn let go ALOT of the unecessary staff & streamlined the management & hired a shitload of the skilled workers (like me ).He was payed a fair salary but this CGM Rick Ducharme should have his ass FIRED for the RE-hiring even MORE staff then before and increasing the TTC budget...

Something else that the media is NOT telling you guys with all the articles in the Sun & Star lately....Our contract expires April 1st of THIS year


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Old Post Feb-10-2005 05:45  Canada
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DJ_Elyot
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

You wanna see some crazy transit systems? Check out Tokyo! Everything's automated... they only hire people to push you onto the trains. Then again, the population is bigger in Tokyo, so they can afford it.


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ShadoWolf
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Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by malek
am I repeating myself by saying that paying off our debt with those huge surpluses is stupid considering how our infrastructures are lacking?!?!


There's more than enough room to do both.


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Old Post Feb-10-2005 06:33  United Nations
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