the goverment does not have the right to bless the union between a man and a man they do not have the right to accept such a beleif or to rewrite the meaning of marriage

misteropus your last post was complete utter ignorance and bullshit im ignoring at and you have found your way onto my ignore list

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Originally posted by electronicmaji2 the goverment does not have the right to bless the union between a man and a man they do not have the right to accept such a beleif or to rewrite the meaning of marriage

Well you seemingly continue to step right over your rationale in believing the government somehow has this right. Are you ever going to answer this question?

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misteropus your last post was complete utter ignorance and bullshit im ignoring at and you have found your way onto my ignore list

Does this mean you won't be inviting me to your birthday parties anymore? I can't even get a balloon? You poor fella - I hope I didn't hurt any feelings. You could, however, drop the ignorance bullshit yourself and address my specific refutations of your points made. That would entail a bit of debate and intellectual courtesy on your part - which may be difficult but I have faith that you can do it.

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and again even if people are born gay which they are not and its further proved by the fact that you dont know two cents about science you have not answered my statement

so what humans are born horny it still makes premarital sex and YES masturbation a sin. We can still control our actions and so can so called homosexaul

homosexaulity is about what type of person you like to sleep with thats all it boils down to outside of that there is very little different from a homosexaul liberal and a straight liberal

you may say that they have a certain lifestyle...ever heard of metrosexauls even they can use such a lifestyle without being homosexaul

so again all it boils down to is sex

homosexaul couplesin todays world should not receive any benefits from a secular socialist poitn off view.........because why do we give married couples advantages in the first place because they give back to the earth

they procreate

the main reason for sex is procreation so is the main reason for marriage therefore in giving back something to the united states of america, strong, healthy young children that they produced or have the capability of producing we give them benefits


homosexauls are unable to and never will be able to procreate

they give nothing back
they deserve nothing in return

oh my mister liberal is so nice

this is why nobody likes you your mean

thats why were gonna kick you out of the united states and go to canada

then were gonna nuke canada

you can say whatever you want

but you have to pay the consquences

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Originally posted by electronicmaji2 the goverment does not have the right to bless the union between a man and a man they do not have the right to accept such a beleif or to rewrite the meaning of marriage

But you argued that the government is a secular body when it comes to promoting healthcare and helping the poor as a Christian cause, which you even agreed was a Christian thing, yet you're arguing that the government is not a secular body when it comes to preventing two people of the same sex from getting a CIVIL marriage, which not everyone even agrees Jesus stated he was against. You're saying that the government should enforce a law against people based on your religious beliefs, which is not something a secular government can do.

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And furthermore how do you legislate based on Christian beliefs anyway? Do we do it based on Catholic, Episcopalian, Evangelical, Mormon, Pentacostal, etc? There's many different sects because they interpret the religion differently, so who are you to say which one is right?

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I never said christian I said moral

the majority of people in the nation beleive gay marriage is wrong

therefore it is immoral

either way what right does the state have to bless a homosexual union you tell me that

i never said anything about christianity

and the only one that doesnt beleive that the bible doesnt talk about gay marriage is the liberal troll whos not even remotely christian

to quote one of my favorite djs

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Originally posted by electronicmaji2 I never said christian I said moral the majority of people in the nation beleive gay marriage is wrong therefore it is immoral either way what right does the state have to bless a homosexual union you tell me that i never said anything about christianity

So whatever the majority of people think is moral? I guess the Nazis were justified in the 30s & 40s and slavery was perfectly fine here. Brown vs. Board of Education should be overturned as well since segregation was accepted at the time and therefore moral, right? In any case you just said that the government doesn't decide what is moral, so why would they determine who can have a civil marriage based on morality in your view? A civil marriage is not the same thing as a religious marriage. There's nothing to "bless" in a civil union between 2 people, it is meant to give them equal rights under the law for things like inheritance, hospital visits, etc. Even athiests get married everyday in this country in the eyes of the law.

You're trying to turn the tables around, the question is really what right does the government have to prevent them from getting married if they allow it for other people? You tell me that. The burden is on the government to rationalize why they should have the right to prevent individuals having some sort of freedom, not the other way around. I thought conservatives wanted freedom from government interferring in their private lives? Obviously there are exceptions when people don't live their lives like you would. And actually you said a lot about Christianity in your various arguments with Opus throughout this thread.

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Originally posted by electronicmaji2 and the only one that doesnt beleive that the bible doesnt talk about gay marriage is the liberal troll whos not even remotely christian to quote one of my favorite djs youve been invaded by the socialistic pro here to infiltrate your radio and disco my people to to barricade and cant succeed im injected with the dna to stampede so its the same purpose same type of gender same call to brawl with the enemies of the leverer ...from nashville to cape town we enter all points with plans to break down...

Were you aware that there are different interpretations of what the Bible says and there are even some contradictions? Where does Paul stand exactly on the rights of women for instance? Does he believe they cannot speak at all in Church and have no position like he says in the 1st letter to the Corinthians or does he see them as active members of the Church spreading the name of Jesus, like in Romans? Look at how the bible came together amongst many different groups of Christians and understand that not everyone interprets it the same way, especially since there are contradictions, before you label people as unholy compared to you.

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You're trying to turn the tables around, the question is really what right does the government have to prevent them from getting married if they allow it for other people? You tell me that. The burden is on the government to rationalize why they should have the right to prevent individuals having some sort of freedom, not the other way around. I thought conservatives wanted freedom from government interferring in their private lives? Obviously there are exceptions when people don't live their lives like you would. And actually you said a lot about Christianity in your various arguments with Opus throughout this thread.

no one ever said they couldnt get married

they can get married they just cant get a marriage license of marry in a state building

marriage is not a right i think you need to go read the bill of rights again ...

they have the right to marry as much as any other person in a state building and getting a marriage license as long as they marry

marriage is a union between a man and a women nothing else can be called it...

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Were you aware that there are different interpretations of what the Bible says and there are even some contradictions? Where does Paul stand exactly on the rights of women for instance? Does he believe they cannot speak at all in Church and have no position like he says in the 1st letter to the Corinthians or does he see them as active members of the Church spreading the name of Jesus, like in Romans? Look at how the bible came together amongst many different groups of Christians and understand that not everyone interprets it the same way before you label people

point being ? point being moot were not here to debate the interpretation of the bible..

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Originally posted by electronicmaji2 oh my mister liberal is so nice this is why nobody likes you your mean thats why were gonna kick you out of the united states and go to canada then were gonna nuke canada you can say whatever you want but you have to pay the consquences

Has anyone seen your argument lately? It seems you've lost it a bit.

And BTW, weren't you banned before posting as Electronicmaji or something? What happened to you, and are the Mods aware that you're back? Will you behave this time around?

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