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the people on the radio (who most probably don't know how to mix)

well. judge jules can mix! he mixed at the cube/student union in southampton a couple of times. rather good too. and he mixes on his radio 1 show. and hes been doing that for yonks so hes got the practice down. and hes a pretty sound chap. very polite and friendly! credit to radio 1 if you ask me

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Originally posted by Derivative well. judge jules can mix! he mixed at the cube/student union in southampton a couple of times. rather good too. and he mixes on his radio 1 show. and hes been doing that for yonks so hes got the practice down. and hes a pretty sound chap. very polite and friendly! credit to radio 1 if you ask me

haha Well there are exceptions, he doesn't seem to have the greatest reputation now, but I saw him at a club in Plymouth and he rocked my socks off, got the crowd going nuts, also saw him about a year ago and had a quick talk, while he was waiting for some problems to be sorted, so yea hes a sound guy, doesn't really play anything I listen to now but oh well.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. What I meant by true DJing was actual on-the-fly DJing instead of preprogrammed stuff.

just to stir the wasp's nest and generate some discussion...

so then you wouldn't consider some of the top turntablists in the world to be true djs?

those amazing scratch routines you hear at the dmc are all pre-programmed and put together beforehand and practiced til their fingers were numb

some guys spend their whole life djing and will never own more than 10 records, i know a few personally
and they're all amazing djs and have so much skill that i aspire to achieve what they've been able to do

i agree with danny, a dj, is a dj, is a dj
there are no "true" djs
if you play music for others to hear, you are a dj
and no matter what medium, equipment, venue, if you're good at what you do you deserve respect in my books

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you see, i don't see the CDJ and DVDJ as similar products whatsoever. well, sure, the same interface, but just because of that, it won't work. the CDJ has an approach to electronic music, or general "dj friendly" music, that is proper for its genre, whereas, video mixing has no real standard.

a better approach to it is the way plastikman does it with his one of a kind CTRL console, where he has bridged Ableton software and Touch software into hardware, combining both samples and graphics to create a "mix" of both music and video/graphics, where he can fully manipulate both aspects.

so far it's all experimental, as he's only done one show, plastikman live 0.1, at MUTEK 2004. check out plasikman.com for videos n stuff. cool looking shit. specially the one where he played 'spastik' along with a neuron animation with spinning particles, and he could control the size of the neuron, the particles, the speed of rotation, the direction, etc.

granted, he has a lot of funding, world class programmers that form a team and his father happens to work robotics for GM (he created the original Allen & Heath: CTRL mixer, aided by Richie, which Allen & Heath then took over and started making a 'factory' model and basically built the plastikman live CTRL console), but still, his way kicks ass.

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haha Well there are exceptions, he doesn't seem to have the greatest reputation now, but I saw him at a club in Plymouth and he rocked my socks off, got the crowd going nuts, also saw him about a year ago and had a quick talk, while he was waiting for some problems to be sorted, so yea hes a sound guy, doesn't really play anything I listen to now but oh well.

yea same here. first time he played at the cube i was like 'bah - washed out radio dj. who cares.'

turned up anyway and there were only a small number of people there. less than 150 people i would say in a 2000 capacity venue but everybody there absolutely outdid themselves on the floor (although the turnout was so low it was just...wrong). was pretty spectactular to see everyone kicking off in a big way. he played a number of ibiza type classics that went down really well and unlike his radio shows it got darker and more hypnotic the longer it went on. it ended almost on hard trance. niiiice. when he dropped chicane's saltwater - everyone was in heaven. i lub that tune. likewise he plays more commercial trance and funky house these days but ive seen the darkside of judge jules! i consider him a bit of a radio jedi.

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i agree with danny, a dj, is a dj, is a dj there are no "true" djs if you play music for others to hear, you are a dj and no matter what medium, equipment, venue, if you're good at what you do you deserve respect in my books

fuckin' aye. ill drink to that

Ok, the first mix sounds harmonically horrible!

Let's get one thing straight...we are comparing apples with oranges here. What this guy is doing isn't what we do.

There's a time and place for what he does even if I personally find it boring as hell. If you want to hear this sort of thing then listen to Funkmaster Flex too, he's really good at it.
Let's face it, if you want to go all the way and hear real skills from way back in the day check out Big Apple Productions 1,2 and 3.

Ok, so he has edited a video to it... He isn't exactly the first person to do that and this was being done before his technology was available.

I'm not saying he's bad at what he does but this isn't really anything original.
Not to mention the turntablism in it isn't particularly amazing... quite cheezy actually.

Just my two cents.
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Originally posted by Tony Morello so then you wouldn't consider some of the top turntablists in the world to be true djs?

unforunately and quite ironically, it appears there are a few illiterate people in here.... I corrected myself:

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What I meant by true DJing was actual on-the-fly DJing instead of preprogrammed stuff. I didn't use the term properly and you called me out. That's fine.

Now, the next time you have someone read this aloud to you, make sure you have them read the whole thing. I would have done it with pictures, but my drawing skills aren't up to par and I really don't have the time.

I was wrong in saying he was not a "true DJ" in my first post and I took it back. He's great at what he does, it's just something I am not into and also something that doesn't impress me personally. I gave him props on his success and took back my erroneous comment.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. unforunately and quite ironically, it appears there are a few illiterate people in here.... I corrected myself: Now, the next time you have someone read this aloud to you, make sure you have them read the whole thing. I would have done it with pictures, but my drawing skills aren't up to par and I really don't have the time. I was wrong in saying he was not a "true DJ" in my first post and I took it back. He's great at what he does, it's just something I am not into and also something that doesn't impress me personally. I gave him props on his success and took back my erroneous comment.

Don't worry about it, this seems to happen loads, people miss posts for whatever reason, or skim through it, I've done it myself.

i caught that

but if you notice the first line in that post
i was just wanting to stir up some decent discussion without having to resort to flaming others and calling them illiterate

it's been a while since i've seen something like this on TA and was wanting to make the most out of it

i just forgot to include one little line that probably would've made all the difference... "what are everyone else's thoughts/opinions on this?"

i just assumed people would read that and if they had a thought or opinion to post, they would

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Last edited by Tony Morello on Mar-09-2005 at 20:51

well i happen to agree with your line on the whole thing.

turntablism has become an almost seperate art to DJing now though. that said, if you get to the top of your game in neither field its no longer realistically possible to just wing it. being able to wing it with such competance at that kind of level is a sign of someone with some serious talent sure. but ultimately, im much more interested in the work of people who have a conscious idea of what they want to achieve. not someone who is improvising boring but technical shit just because he can. some of the live shows ive been to (the lab4 ones ) have so much preproduction and preparation that when you are there - all the effort thats been put into it is there for all to see and hear. absolute quality.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello i caught that but if you notice the first line in that post i was just wanting to stir up some decent discussion without having to resort to flaming others and calling them illiterate

Oh yea, see I'm a fine example of people missing things, and thats the reason they make certain posts.

Also, like Derivative said about Lab4 having most there work preset, well I know alot of the big DJs in a way play preset sets, if your doing a tour that are constant back to back shows, sometimes they will play the same set they played at another club (so in away its preset), but it doesn't take away from the experience, doesn't make them less of a DJ, take my Ferry Corsten Tribute set on my site, say you listened to it, thought it was good or whatever, but now I tell you that I PLANNED to play those tracks, in pretty much that order before I even started the set, would you then think, oh now the set isn't as good?.

This is a fair bit different, but what about Rock bands, you can't get more preset than that, but I'll shutup as its totally different.

i'll let you in on a little secret...
a lot of djs pre-plan their sets, at least to an extent

i know every week i head to the club with a pretty good idea of what i'm going to play in mind
it's not a set-in-stone tracklist that i'm going to adhere to, but i have a pretty good idea of what is going to sound good where and i might have a couple mixes that i'll want to do

sure you want to react to the crowd and choose your records accordingly, but you can also steer or guide them in certain directions you want to go and such, especially if they've been drinking/doing drugs

that and once you develop a following, they show up every week expecting to hear certain tracks, signature tracks if you will
and god forbid if you don't play those tracks

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