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Originally posted by smokeape Us gorillas don't fight to the death normally. But normally folks do over in Iraq. Killing insurgents there is not murder, but rather the justified riddance of bad elements. Sometimes there's collateral damage. That which is inflicted by the US Forces is normally brought on by the initiation of a gunbattle by insurgents, so we are not really to blame in those instances and in the large majority of cases. When we overbomb sh*t in taking out insurgent hideouts or bomb the wrong house, then we are generally to blame in those instances. Keep in mind the US military is only one of the few armies in the world even concerned about civilian casualties. Bosnia should have taught you that. [[[smoke]]]

One mans insurgent is another mans freedom fighter........your whole statement above could be turned right around,just change killing the insurgents bit to killing Americans....from an Iraqi point of view.

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Originally posted by smokeape Us gorillas don't fight to the death normally. But normally folks do over in Iraq. Killing insurgents there is not murder, but rather the justified riddance of bad elements. Sometimes there's collateral damage. That which is inflicted by the US Forces is normally brought on by the initiation of a gunbattle by insurgents, so we are not really to blame in those instances and in the large majority of cases. When we overbomb sh*t in taking out insurgent hideouts or bomb the wrong house, then we are generally to blame in those instances. Keep in mind the US military is only one of the few armies in the world even concerned about civilian casualties. Bosnia should have taught you that. [[[smoke]]]

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I'd say yes because the aborted child is a result of parent's actions. If women just happened to get pregnant without outside influence and had no control of their pregnancies, then it would be in a somewhat grey area. Since they are in control, getting pregnant with an unwanted child is their own fault and therefore it's them who should pay for it and not the child.

what about rape? Should a women be allowed have terminate its unborn then?

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Originally posted by smokeape Us gorillas don't fight to the death normally. But normally folks do over in Iraq. Killing insurgents there is not murder, but rather the justified riddance of bad elements.

i am sure thats the way the insurgents feel aswell.

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Originally posted by smokeape Sometimes there's collateral damage. That which is inflicted by the US Forces is normally brought on by the initiation of a gunbattle by insurgents, so we are not really to blame in those instances and in the large majority of cases.

you invaded there country, so i think you are to blame actually.

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None of these would be natural selection. Technically it's artificial selection because other people are deciding the fates of these individuals, not nature.

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Originally posted by Michael19 what about rape? Should a women be allowed have terminate its unborn then?

Eh, rape is an issue that I'm kinda split on. On one hand it's not the child's fault that the guy raped the woman, and on the other hand it's not that the woman had any choice. Besides, the child might inherit the genes for rapist tendencies. Eh, I dunno, I'd say I'd allow it.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Eh, rape is an issue that I'm kinda split on. On one hand it's not the child's fault that the guy raped the woman, and on the other hand it's not that the woman had any choice. Besides, the child might inherit the genes for rapist tendencies. Eh, I dunno, I'd say I'd allow it.

Even if he had rapist "tendencies", depending on the enviroment the child is raised (e.g. seeing his mother suffer), this child would probably supress them. Allowing abortion out of "possibilities" is the same as condemning people for something they haven't done yet.

And no film Tom Cruise starred can be applied here, by the way

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Originally posted by Lira Even if he had rapist "tendencies", depending on the enviroment the child is raised (e.g. seeing his mother suffer), this child would probably supress them. Allowing abortion out of "possibilities" is the same as condemning people for something they haven't done yet.

Yeah, that's also true. The child might not even inherit that part of his genes. But I didn't say I'd force it, I said I'd allow it. Seriously, why force such a mother to have a child that she'd hate whole her life because it reminds her of the rapist?

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And no film Tom Cruise starred can be applied here, by the way

What's wrong with Tom Cruise movies?!?

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