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Originally posted by Psiweaver I would also strongly suggest getting a broadcasting degree. It can help you meet tons of people and you will mainly be working for people in the broadcasting industry as most everybody in the music industry is owned by a broadcaster of some sort.

yes this is also important when being a dj producer, you need alot of links.

Hm ok, so I have been reading 4 pages of atleast some good comments.
I am trying to sign up for Electronic Music Production in Stockholm-Sweden at the SAE school in the ending of this summer.
If i like the school, the atmosphere, what I am going to learn and such, I will probably read the hole sound engineering course.
I read someone said there is alot of math, and someone said it isn't. I am not really into math so I would like to know how much it really is and if it will become a real probablem if your not that good at it.. has someone here taking this hole education and got a diploma? (at the sae school). Would really appreciate some comments of the school and if you got any jobs and such.

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Originally posted by trancinchink ok... you guys need to realize something. DJing and Producing music essentially has very little to do with audio engineering. Producing maybe a slight part, but djing isn't even something audio engineers learn or think about.. audio engineering or music technology major is all about studio work. recording, mastering, live recording, mixdowns, learning about electronics, learning about studio equipment, learning how to design equipment or software, etc. etc. you have to make it clear. do you want to learn how to dj? or do you want to learn to be an audio engineer...

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I have to quite strongly disagree with this post on a certain level so I would say.
As you all know I have had my decks for a while.
The truth is that I didn't really discover the truth about DJing until I started exploring sound and the technical side about music production. It opened my eyes to a whole new world, and my understanding of what makes a good DJ and perception of what makes a great DJ truly great has increased so much that it's not possible to quantify.

I think it would be a great idea to go to a club and see how the sound changes with different amounts of people, or even different clubs to see how the sound changes. It does a lot for your own sound.
Have you guys ever been to a club where you have had an average DJ warming up and then the main act comes on and everything just seems so much tighter and just sound better yet you can't put your finger on what it is. What they have done is they have messed with the EQs, understood the accoustics of the room and made the necessary changes. I do this all the time. If the DJ before me has a sound I don't think will work for me, I change it. But I couldn't do it without knwwing what the result would be.

It's true, you don't have to go to university to learn this or see it, but if you do go to university at least you will get the full scientific explaination and you wont have to fill in any of the gaps yourself.
Plus you will understand phase cancellation, which is something that I see a lot of you still struggle with due to some of the posts I have seen lately. This is also covered in sound engineering.

Also, understanding the music you are playing on a different level is not a bad thing either because you may select tracks differently and open up a new creative world.

I say go for it.

Cheers
Nem

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There have been a lot of dumb arsed comments on this thread.
If there is one thing that I can't stand it's when people start drawing up differences in class. Why the f*ck does it matter!? As Rakim once said, 'it aint where you from it's where you at!'

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Originally posted by mr_fisken Hm ok, so I have been reading 4 pages of atleast some good comments. I am trying to sign up for Electronic Music Production in Stockholm-Sweden at the SAE school in the ending of this summer. If i like the school, the atmosphere, what I am going to learn and such, I will probably read the hole sound engineering course. I read someone said there is alot of math, and someone said it isn't. I am not really into math so I would like to know how much it really is and if it will become a real probablem if your not that good at it.. has someone here taking this hole education and got a diploma? (at the sae school). Would really appreciate some comments of the school and if you got any jobs and such.

dont worry, maths will mostly only come into maybe the degree stage(NOT MUCH I DONT THINK).
and the math probly wont be to hard, trust me! unless you want to actually make these complicated programs like VSTI'S.
they will teach you anyway!

good luck!
i might come over to sweden SAE

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Originally posted by mzvirbulis dont worry, maths will mostly only come into maybe the degree stage(NOT MUCH I DONT THINK). and the math probly wont be to hard, trust me! unless you want to actually make these complicated programs like VSTI'S. they will teach you anyway! good luck! i might come over to sweden SAE

ah cool thanks

can I ask why you are visiting the swedish sae?

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Speaking as a graduate of their degree program..... i can honestly say you would be better off spending the cash on some decent equipment, some books, then blagging a job as a tea boy/tape store boy/toilet cleaner in a pro studio somewhere and using the remaining funds to live off.

Most of the stuff they teach at SAE i already knew from my previous courses (btec national diploma) and from reading. From reading things like sound on sound magazine you can pick up a lot (as anal as they are).

You will literally have to fight for studio time (especially on the Neve and SSL consoles), and i found their whole attitude to be 'this is how it is done, dont change it' and not particuarly encouraging for creativity in some respects.

Their midi setup was basic , and some of the modules just skimmed stuff.
mic placement technique was not taught (i already had knowledge and experience of this), and there was a large module on building a studio (as in the construction of the walls). Interesting, but i feel for kids who just want to go play on consoles a bit too in depth.
I dont ever recall a module or lecture on mic types and polar patterns either- it was more a case of 'this is a neumann U86- this is what you find in most pro studios' - nothing more detailed than that.
I found it a bit lacking to be honest, but that may be because of my prior experiences. I do know that others on my degree intake agreed with me.

Going back to my point about blagging a job as a tea boy or receptionist i say that for several reasons:
-Until you make a name for yourself, you will have to start at the bottom anyway.
-Bigger studios like to train their own engineers their own way- they dont like people having an 'i know it all' attitude as some people who have done courses can develop- as well as being set in their own methods of working.

I had a friend who did just that- blagged a job as a night receptionist in a large london studio. Was utter shit for ages, but then he got asked to assist with the general dogsbody work in the studio one night, and it progressed from there. i believe he is now one of their resident senior engineers.

My point is, as with the Dj world( and most creative industries) you have to pay your dues- simple as that. Its all about who you know and who you pester- not so much what you know. Sad but true conspiracy fans.

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Freak,

Thats the Audio Engineer course you graduated from ??

Was the Music Production course being offered at the time of your studies??

If so, any Inside info about it, like did you hear anyones conversation at the college about it being good?

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no i did the degree course - BA (Hons) recording arts.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 minus 1 I have to quite strongly disagree with this post on a certain level so I would say. As you all know I have had my decks for a while. The truth is that I didn't really discover the truth about DJing until I started exploring sound and the technical side about music production. It opened my eyes to a whole new world, and my understanding of what makes a good DJ and perception of what makes a great DJ truly great has increased so much that it's not possible to quantify. I think it would be a great idea to go to a club and see how the sound changes with different amounts of people, or even different clubs to see how the sound changes. It does a lot for your own sound. Have you guys ever been to a club where you have had an average DJ warming up and then the main act comes on and everything just seems so much tighter and just sound better yet you can't put your finger on what it is. What they have done is they have messed with the EQs, understood the accoustics of the room and made the necessary changes. I do this all the time. If the DJ before me has a sound I don't think will work for me, I change it. But I couldn't do it without knwwing what the result would be. It's true, you don't have to go to university to learn this or see it, but if you do go to university at least you will get the full scientific explaination and you wont have to fill in any of the gaps yourself. Plus you will understand phase cancellation, which is something that I see a lot of you still struggle with due to some of the posts I have seen lately. This is also covered in sound engineering. Also, understanding the music you are playing on a different level is not a bad thing either because you may select tracks differently and open up a new creative world. I say go for it. Cheers Nem PS There have been a lot of dumb arsed comments on this thread. If there is one thing that I can't stand it's when people start drawing up differences in class. Why the f*ck does it matter!? As Rakim once said, 'it aint where you from it's where you at!'

i completely agree with what your saying, that experience with sound etc. can help u better understand djing. but i was more stating the fact that djing is something that is almost not even touched upon in an audio engineering/music technology degree. being that i'm ending my third year at nyu... i have not heard any teacher mention DJ or turntables once.

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Originally posted by Nou Art Institute of Seattle is pretty good, I got a friend in there right now and he loves it, I think the other AI campuses around the country offer this course to, but I think Seattle is the best one.

The Seattle AI is like 100 feet away from me. It's the building right out my window...



I had no idea they had Audio programs. Ask your buddy if they call me the naked guy.

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Originally posted by Keith Chambers Ask your buddy if they call me the naked guy.

not sure about that dude!!!

but i'll keep my eye's open... art institute seattle, right outside you're window, you live in Elliot Bay apartments?

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Originally posted by Freak mic placement technique was not taught

what kind of audio engineering program doesn't teach mic placement... a bad one!

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Originally posted by Freak My point is, as with the Dj world( and most creative industries) you have to pay your dues- simple as that. Its all about who you know and who you pester- not so much what you know. Sad but true conspiracy fans.

exactly, 'tis the truth... but a better program also helps you got ripped off sounds like, good thing you already knew mic placement.

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