Uplifting trance is dying......

YOU MUST BE SHITTIN' ME!

Is it really possible to say that uplifting is dying when so many people are still listening and loving it? Let's try to think of this matter in a logical and business sense, because that's what the music industry is, it's a business. And by business I mean any type/group of organizations (record labels in this case) competing with each other with the goal of making MONEY!!!

Business has always gone where the money is, fact of life. If you take a look at trance message boards like this one, websites, quantity of tracks being downloaded off the internet, record sales, attendance at trance events/clubs, it all shows that there is a LARGE AMOUNT of people listening and loving uplifting trance!!! The point being, as long as there is a good number of people still listening to this type of music, it will not fade away and disappear. The music will still have influence on its fans, developing and bringing forth NEW uplifting trance producers/djs (like Patticus said), and in turn, expanding and prolonging Uplifting Trance.

That doesn't necessarily mean that current uplifting trance DJs will continue producing this type of music, they might move on to other types. And that's what this thread REALLY seems to be about. Just because Tiesto, Corsten, AvB, or PvD, moves on to progressive, pop, country, hip-hop, whatever, it doesn't mean that uplifting trance is on the way to the grave. OPEN YOUR MIND! But continuing with the "is trance dying?" topic, this year has been more than successful in putting out popular and quality uplifting trance tunes. If you disagree, I would tell you that you either haven't searched enough, or maybe YOUR favorite DJ hasn't been producing enough of these tunes.

This is a very good topic, but comments from people like Jukx asking for good arguments when he himself doesn't know how to make one, do not help. And, Jukx, when you ask for people to give you good arguments to "convince" you, please be ready to respond with the same. Insulting uplifting trance, declaring your statements to be the absolute truth, and portraying a sense of superiority, DOES NOT make for a GOOD argument. So recheck your statements and try again bud.

All in all, I am more than satisfied with uplifting trance output this year and I think 2001 has done more than enough to continue expanding this style of music. I will still be an avid listener come 2002 that's for sure!

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uplifting trance has always been there. and it always will be. i'm a trance lover, I can listen and enjoy almost all sorts of trance styles from rank 1 to scot project, but theres something about uplifting trance that no music has, there is no replacement for it. for ME its cool to know today uplifting trance is not the mass music for clubbers, as maybe progressive house is.. but again I think trance is not for everyone and everytime. I think today that enjoying a set with incredible uplifting melodies is something that should not be done on an everyday basis on a clubbing/partying scene. For clubs playing uplifting trance every night can make it to loose its magic on the local crowds. Today's best trance sets are made of a combination of different trance styles, (take for example PVD) definitly including uplifting, but not entirely uplifting as maybe it was on the past. So next time you go to a party and listen those uplifting melodies, make sure you enjoy them, and don't worry 'cause they won't just fade away like that. People around here know there are very gr8 uplifting tunes around coming out week after week. you just have to go an look for them.

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Originally posted by biznology One thing im going to say is that nobody here talks about liking Dj Micro. He has ALWAYS been making, spinning quality VERY uplifting trance. I guess his being American makes him 'suck' or just not well known. Hes pretty damn good tho...hehe last time i saw him he opened with Underworld - Born Slippy(cj stone) and it only went up from there! late/

i have his micro tech mix 2, its pretty good, there's a little bit of cheese on there but some great unknown tracks like the boston bruins, and his own remix (first track)

anyways we've forgotten about new producers like those behind solicitous, and cyclone

uplifting does NOT have to = dutch, ppl (who only mention the big three and rank 1)

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Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams Uplifting trance is dying...... YOU MUST BE SHITTIN' ME! Is it really possible to say that uplifting is dying when so many people are still listening and loving it? Let's try to think of this matter in a logical and business sense, because that's what the music industry is, it's a business. And by business I mean any type/group of organizations (record labels in this case) competing with each other with the goal of making MONEY!!!

Good point, I think this is one of the big problems.. Too many people just see trance music as a business, as an easy way of making money. Producers imitating eachothers just to have a popular song. No innovation at all.
You know, trance is big business these days, a lot people like it. You can make a whole lot of money with trance.. too much producers are only thinking about the money and are forgetting the quality. They don't produce music for the music, they produce music for the money.

Off course, everyone needs to earn money whether you produce trance or progressive or techno. But money can't be the main reason why you produce music.

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This is a very good topic, but comments from people like Jukx asking for good arguments when he himself doesn't know how to make one, do not help.

If you don't agree with an arguement it doesn't have to mean the arguement is bad.

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Last edited by Jukx on Nov-18-2001 at 12:58

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Originally posted by mr_stamper Well i'm sorry, but you don't come on TRANCEADDICT.com and call Rank 1 and Gouryella cheese. I think jukx can f**k off and go find himself a technoaddict.com where he belongs. Sorry for the harsh words, but im sure all TA's agree with me.

Why, just because I have another opinion than most of the people here? Afraid of people who don't think the same as you do?

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Originally posted by Jukx Good point, I think this is one of the big problems.. Too many people just see trance music as a business, as an easy way of making money. Producers imitating eachothers just to have a popular song. No innovation at all. You know, trance is big business these days, a lot people like it. You can make a whole lot of money with trance.. too much producers are only thinking about the money and are forgetting the quality. They don't produce music for the music, they produce music for the money. Off course, everyone needs to earn money whether you produce trance or progressive or techno. But money can't be the main reason why you produce music.

Fuck me, me and Jukx agree on something.

I surely hope that the epic/uplifting wont be back as a big phenomenon again.

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Originally posted by Jukx Why, just because I have another opinion than most of the people here? Afraid of people who don't think the same as you do?

Well to be honest there are few people that agree with you here. You are reffering to Rank 1, Gouryella etc. as cheese. As verminator said earlier by techno standards the are very cheesy but by trance standards they are not and this is a trance site so it's no wonder people are getting pissed off at you.

Just a question, what is your opinion on Chris Cowie productions/remixes (X Cabs, De Niro)?

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Originally posted by Paul Wilson Well to be honest there are few people that agree with you here. You are reffering to Rank 1, Gouryella etc. as cheese. As verminator said earlier by techno standards the are very cheesy but by trance standards they are not and this is a trance site so it's no wonder people are getting pissed off at you. Just a question, what is your opinion on Chris Cowie productions/remixes (X Cabs, De Niro)?

Like I said before in this thread, I have never compaired trance to techno regarding this issue. There is some very good innovating quality trance out there but, for me, it just isn't the uplifting stuff.

About Chris Cowie; I have his latest album, Best Behaviour, on my hard disc and it certainly contains some good stuff! Allthough one track, Flashfunk, seems to be a bit of a rip off of Josh Wink's So how is your evening so far... but ok.

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Owkay, i just finished reading the whole thread and i have to say i agree with both "sides" .. i agree with jukx that if producers keep on copying that uplifting trance will die out.. but i think that this is not the case.. tunes like silverblue are very nice and i think that there are still a lot of fresh, new producers who will try and bring something new in the uplifting trance scene.. also there are still a lot of good tunes coming this or the next year.. so i don't think that uplifting is dying.. it's just having a slow period at the moment..

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Originally posted by Jukx If you don't agree with an arguement it doesn't have to mean the arguement is bad.

Sorry to get off topic here but I want to explain this.
Jukx, it's not that I don't agree with your argument, I just don't agree that it's a good argument. I UNDERSTAND your viewpoint (you believe trance is fading out), but you are asking people to present good counterarguments to you, that won't work unless you make good ones yourself. I explained why your argument was not good in my last post.

Now, let's keep it real.
Regarding Music Industry = Business, it's true, DJing/Producing is a JOB for famous DJs, it's not a hobby anymore. It's something some DJs survive off of. Therefore, for famous DJs it is about the money, but that's only normal. I'm sure that these DJs love making music and DJing live, but the "JOB" aspect of it will still be there. So it is a business, a lucrative one at that. While there is still money to be made off Uplifting Trance, I think it will survive.

If producers begin a long period of copying/imitating old trance tunes, chance is that some listeners will be turned off by that, and this will be a factor in their changing music styles = less people listening to trance = less money to be made = less time Trance will survive. That's what it boils down to. But it's safe to say that this won't happen anytime soon, since there are a large amount of people still listening to trance at this moment.

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So just because Gouryella and Rank 1 (both very cheezy) will release a new album, Uplifting Trance will be back??

1. They r not fucking 'cheezy', it seems 2 b the in thing 2 diss uplfiting trance atm esp. by saying its dieing/cheezy. U don't know the meaning of the work cheezy if u think GOURYELLA & RANK 1 r cheezy!!

2. Just because two of the biggest/best trance 'acts' are producing fresh material in 2002 doesn't mean anything to the uplifting 'scene'? These producers just happen to of produced some of the best uplifting trance tunes eva, and that means nothin?

3. Its not just gouryella & rank 1 that are contributing to the come back of uplifting trance; more good uplifting tracks are being produced than were being produced durin the summer etc. etc.

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Good point, I think this is one of the big problems.. Too many people just see trance music as a business, as an easy way of making money. Producers imitating eachothers just to have a popular song. No innovation at all. You know, trance is big business these days, a lot people like it. You can make a whole lot of money with trance.. too much producers are only thinking about the money and are forgetting the quality. They don't produce music for the music, they produce music for the money.

Ermmmmmm WTF? I don't see the shelves in music stores being stacked with uplifting trance albums. There being filled with progressive house/trance & chillout; those are the sub-genres they r really raking in the money 4. Since this is an uplifting trance topic it dusnt really fit in v well :-P Mebbe u hav diff music sold in the shops wher u live