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Originally posted by alligator cds are definetly taking over due to the fact that it's easier to get your music. cheaper to buy a song than one vinyl. although let's not forget with the advancements in technology and ssl or final scratch the tt faithful can still use their trusty tt and not have to spent a fortune on vinyl. due that all their songs will be on their computer and/or laptop.

I've never tried final scratch, although I have read about it. In my opinion though I would much rather just own CDJs. I don't own them right now so I can't tell you much about them, other than all the stuff i've read and playing with them at Guitar Center. If I had a smaller laptop and more space in my room I would prolly have gotten Final Scratch, but I made the mistake (kind of) of getting a huge 17 inch laptop/desktop replacement thinking I wouldn't travel with it so why get something really tiny and slightly less powerful (P4 vs Centrino) but thats a whole nother debate in itself....if I would have waited a year I probably would have gotten a Centrino, since they are slightly more powerful now then they were a year ago.

i mix on dual CDJ-800s and i may obviously be biased, but the main thing about the 800 and the 1000 is that jog wheel, who the fuck needs some gay effects when you can get much better effect control on a mixer anyway. i think only thing which is handy on the 200 over the 800 is the pitch steps, like +-6, +-12 +-18 or something, the 800 only does +-10 or +-100.

but all in all it's all about that joghweel imo, jogwheel physics and mechanics are what make or break a cd deck and that's from somebody who djs solely on cd. the 800 wins in this dept.

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Originally posted by Ste i mix on dual CDJ-800s and i may obviously be biased, but the main thing about the 800 and the 1000 is that jog wheel, who the fuck needs some gay effects when you can get much better effect control on a mixer anyway. i think only thing which is handy on the 200 over the 800 is the pitch steps, like +-6, +-12 +-18 or something, the 800 only does +-10 or +-100. but all in all it's all about that joghweel imo, jogwheel physics and mechanics are what make or break a cd deck and that's from somebody who djs solely on cd. the 800 wins in this dept.

I've heard good things about the jogwheel on the CDJ 800, but my biggest thing is the 0.5% pitch, as i've been told that it is less precise than the CDJ 1000 MK2 is. With my mixing I like to be as precise as I can, especially considering I am into playing more prog now than traditional trance music. I don't really need the effects that are on both turntables, but the vinyl emulation, the wave display, the CD Text, and the 6% pitch step at 0.02 percent. To me if your only going CD, I feel that having the "extra" stuff on the CDJ 1000 MK2 is well worth saving up the money for.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I feel that having the "extra" stuff on the CDJ 1000 MK2 is well worth saving up the money for.

not particularly, i got both of my decks for £600 in deals from ebay, if i were to do the same with CDJ1000s theyre would still cost approx £1200, which isnt really small change. people tend to thinbk there isnt much price diff i nthe two as they are similar, but even brand new you pay 40% more for a 1000 than an 800.

with regards to the pitch of 0.5%, you only have to make a correction every 32 beats maximum with that accuracy, a correction of about 1cm around the circ of the jogwheel too. so the difference is so negligable it isnt worth the extra £300 or so. wave display too is pretty useless. the thing i would like though is the differening pitch ranged of 6, 12, 18, and 24. much handier for me as i play my music a bit faster than it is generally recorded, but that is easily remidied by ripping my vinyl at a faster speed.

however if i had money to burn i would obviously go for the 1000, but thats only if money was no object, which sadly it is.

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Yea true Ste, but I got rid of my turntables and I am looking to go only CDJ (or get vinyl turntables again in the future when I have the money for records and for the turntables). It just makes more sense for me to save my money for something better, than just get something I can afford, but not truly enjoy in the long run.

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Originally posted by Ste wave display too is pretty useless.

Well from all I've seen is that it's not useless. It definitely helps when playing a track for the first time and or understanding the structure of the track. On a personal basis I like to see the tracks, which is a great thing when I had vinyl, but its even better with the wave display. I mean sometimes I might play a track, and not know the structure of it, so like i said, it would help me a lot I think.

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Originally posted by alligator an addition to the pitch control on the cdj 800, 1000 mk2. the 1000 mk2 has 0.02% for the +6/-6%, 0.05 for the +10/-10%.

sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well from all I've seen is that it's not useless. It definitely helps when playing a track for the first time and or understanding the structure of the track. On a personal basis I like to see the tracks, which is a great thing when I had vinyl, but its even better with the wave display. I mean sometimes I might play a track, and not know the structure of it, so like i said, it would help me a lot I think.

the only thing i find it helps is that you can see when there is no beat or anything bar a string or something. and sorta break with a cymbal clashes etc or wierd effects instanantly make an almost full peak on the diplay, as the diplay has only 5 highs per peak and about 50 or so for the whole track, some most of the time you have a huge line of blocks, heh.

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Originally posted by Prism sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

it's not a stupid question, it is totally true, that is the only proble mwith cd decks.


HOWEVER: with 0.02 pitch accuracy you can easily have it so that you wont have to make a correection or even maybe a small one over a mix of say 256 beats, with 0.05 you usually have to make 2 or 3 tiny corrections. but generally a persons finger cannot garauntee accuracy more than 0.02 on a vinyl deck anyway and the sliders are much smaller than cd decks. i mean, it is possible to get a perfact match due to analogue pitch control, but the reality is you're always slighty out anyway, just so little out that you can't tell.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yea true Ste, but I got rid of my turntables and I am looking to go only CDJ (or get vinyl turntables again in the future when I have the money for records and for the turntables). It just makes more sense for me to save my money for something better, than just get something I can afford, but not truly enjoy in the long run.

when i say afford i mean in a sense paying twice for about 10% more functionality, but if you feel you want the 1000s then go for it as you will never have to replace them. (unless they make a mk3 of course, although it will probs have summat new like blue LEDs or some other marketing ploy )

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Thanks Ste very helpful!

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Originally posted by Prism sorry for stupid question but does it mean you never gonna get 2 tracks perfectly beatmatched perfectly I mean you think you do but technically they are not?

not a stupid question...in the end the beat counter on the cd player is technology...an so far we have not been able to get anything better at beatmatching than our ears.

on the display for the cdj 1000mk2 you have the bpm as a whole number without any decimal places. therefore you'll be at 135bpm (for example) and yet you can move the slider up and down and the bpm will stay the same while you try to beatmatch the song to perfection. so technology wise maybe they won't have the same reading on the bpm, but in the end your ears are far better at picking up out of sync beats.