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Originally posted by VERTiG0 1) All hardware in your home theatre system must be HDCP compliant or you are screwed, so that means thousand and thousands of dollars worth of upgrades for the average consumer, rendering gradual component upgrades useless 2) If you want to use a computer to broadcast HDCP compliant content to your TV but control everything from your computer, your DVI splitter must be HDCP compliant as well, and probably the cables too 3) Did I mention that nothing is backward compatible? Sure there are devices that convert HDCP data to analogue so that non-HDCP compliant units can be used, but what is the point of that? Also, these devices are far and few between, and you can't just go out to Futureshop and buy one. 4) The entire standard is dictated by a single company, so it's not like the DVD standard where every company has their hand in the jar 5) Everybody that has an HDTV without HDMI inputs (millions and millions of people out there) just wasted their money because they can't decrypt HDCP data And a ton of other things.

Cale, you tell it, boi! LOL, you reminded me of Graham w/ this post. (A good thing )

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Originally posted by Frenchie Pacific mall, never heard of it.

Its the Asian mall, duh!

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I am all for the criminal prosecution of pirates and license enforcing technology and hardware.

Frankly if someone bought "cheap" hardware to save a few bucks and ends up that it isn't up to date with licensing hardware - too bad. Technology gets phased in over a period of time (not slammed down the throat of consumers). The amortized additional expense of a new cable, TV or player is insignificant (over the lifetime of use).

Theft is theft (digital or otherwise) and providing/profiting off devices that perpetuate theft is almost as bad as the theft itself (just as the illegal arms [rockets anyone?] sales people are almost as bad as the users of the illegal arms themselves).

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Last edited by rabbitjoker on Aug-29-2006 at 02:53

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I am all for the criminal prosecution of pirates and license enforcing technology and hardware. Theft is theft (digital or otherwise).

I'm also all for criminal prosecution of pirates, but license enforcing hardware that has zero backward compatibility is a nightmare. A complete and utter nightmare that should never have seen the light of day.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Frankly if someone bought "cheap" hardware to save a few bucks and ends up that it isn't up to date with licensing hardware - too bad. Technology gets phased in over a period of time (not slammed down the throat of consumers). The amortized additional expense of a new cable, TV or player is insignificant.

So my $3,000 TV is now essentially useless for the future, and I assure you that the other components in our setup are not even approaching "cheap." This affects me directly and it infuriates me like nothing else. In February when this was all purchased, HDCP compliant hardware was not yet available.

This is where my problem with the whole thing stems from.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 1) All hardware in your home theatre system must be HDCP compliant or you are screwed, so that means thousand and thousands of dollars worth of upgrades for the average consumer, rendering gradual component upgrades useless 2) If you want to use a computer to broadcast HDCP compliant content to your TV but control everything from your computer, your DVI splitter must be HDCP compliant as well, and probably the cables too 3) Did I mention that nothing is backward compatible? Sure there are devices that convert HDCP data to analogue so that non-HDCP compliant units can be used, but what is the point of that? Also, these devices are far and few between, and you can't just go out to Futureshop and buy one. 4) The entire standard is dictated by a single company, so it's not like the DVD standard where every company has their hand in the jar 5) Everybody that has an HDTV without HDMI inputs (millions and millions of people out there) just wasted their money because they can't decrypt HDCP data And a ton of other things.

Right on! Death to all DRM types

Im all about freedom, no restrictions!

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Originally posted by devnull Im all about freedom, no restrictions!

No restrictions results in theft.

Please explain why authors/composers, producers, distributors and all other involved parties deserve to have their product stolen?

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I JUST got back from the P mall with my Lukey!! <3 We looove going there...there is this place in the food court that has the BEST sweet and sour chicken on rice! mmmmmmmmmmmm

and i always stock up on men's pocky sticks and lychee candy when we are there!

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 In February when this was all purchased, HDCP compliant hardware was not yet available.

Nor will it become manditory in the near/short-term future - so your investment is justified.

Further - single standards are not a bad thing. ANSI and IEEE standards are proof in point.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Nor will it become manditory in the near/short-term future - so your investment is justified.

For the time being, yes. But when HDCP content becomes the standard, I can't just go replace my set-top box or my TV, I have to replace EVERYTHING at once.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Please explain why authors/composers, producers, distributors and all other involved parties deserve to have their product stolen?

Now now RJ, by asking for fewer restrictions, these two are not saying that people deserve to have their material stolen.

I think they just feel a bit ripped off, when standards change, and extra upgrade costs are created. Yes upgrading is always an issue, it just seems like during this round of technology things are a bit out of hand. Obviously content creators feel ripped off and are trying to place these restrictions on playback.

DRM has had the same effects whether in the audio or video markets:
1) Some thieves are stopped and content creators take back some control and revenues increase.
2) Honest people are hindered by what they can do with their media.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 3) Did I mention that nothing is backward compatible? Sure there are devices that convert HDCP data to analogue so that non-HDCP compliant units can be used, but what is the point of that? Also, these devices are far and few between, and you can't just go out to Futureshop and buy one.

Isnt this only true for 1080p playback? Thats what I thought.

If it is infact only true for playback at 1080p, then it wouldnt matter because anybody with a 1080p TV would have the necessary connections.

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie I JUST got back from the P mall with my Lukey!! <3 We looove going there...there is this place in the food court that has the BEST sweet and sour chicken on rice! mmmmmmmmmmmm and i always stock up on men's pocky sticks and lychee candy when we are there!

LOL! brilliant post.

it's all bout the sweet & sour chicken on rice baby..

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