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Originally posted by Moral Hazard c) It costs nearly 100 million dollars of tax payers' money to hold a general election in this country. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend another 100 million dollars to shuffle seats around and trade one minority government for another.

The Lieberals proposed $22 billion in new spending in the past two weeks.

The cost of an election pales in comparision to the cost of keeping the Lieberals in power.

We are headed towards deficit spending in '07-'08 if the Lieberal budget passes.

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Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew ANother thing, why does the cbc not have 1 headline in reference to yesterdays vote in the house.

http://www.canada.com/national/nati...e2-61685c94f83c

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Property post Morguard REIT CEO joins CBC board, and gets a Tory welcome Nice appointment if you can get it. Rai Sahi, chief executive of Morguard REIT, has been named to the board of Canadian Broadcasting Corp. The appointment generated a few shots on Parliament Hill this week. It prompted one Tory to remark: "Liberal patronage and cronyism has hit a new low. Who is that? A close personal friend of the Prime Minister, a former business associate of Canada Steamship Lines, a donor to the Liberal Party who owns the building the CBC leases as its head office in Ottawa. One would think it was enough that he gets the rent cheque from the CBC every month." One of Mr. Sahi's companies -- he also owns Morguard Corp. -- owns the building the CBC leases in Ottawa.

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Does anyone remember what happened the last time the conservatives (note the small "c" being used) ran the country? ... just testin your memories & biases here

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf The Lieberals proposed $22 billion in new spending in the past two weeks. The cost of an election pales in comparision to the cost of keeping the Lieberals in power. We are headed towards deficit spending in '07-'08 if the Lieberal budget passes.

I wasn't arguing economics, I was mearly countering Jay's argument that the only possible reason people don't want an election now is due to lazyness.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Matt I really wish Canada would step away from party-based politics and just have everyone run as an independent. I hate having to choose between voting for the MP, and voting for the party.

Interesting, as that was an idea put forth by the Reform party. The CPC's free vote policy is related to that notion.

http://www.conservative.ca/document...DECLARATION.pdf

In fact, former Alberta premier Ernest Manning and his son Preston wrote a book on that subject... many consider it to be the most important book on Canadian politics in the past 50 years. It's called:

"Political Realignment: A Challenge to Thoughtful Canadians"

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard A few points.... a) the Liberals have long since held to the position that they do not govern according to popular opinion and that general elections are the time to hold any government accountable. This differs from the Conservatives that started as a grass roots party calling for immediate accountability in Ottawa, held to the position that MPs should be considered delegates rather then representatives (ie. must follow constituancy instructions), and that the government should abide by public opinion via reforenda. As you can see, breaking from the will of the people is contrary to Conservative party ideology. b) Of course wanting to go to the polls now is opportunistic for the Conservatives.... I for one do not blame them for this (as I pointed out in an earlier thread.... if I were a conservative party stategist I'd push for an election too), however, there are potential problems with forcing an early election.... backlash is one of them. c) It costs nearly 100 million dollars of tax payers' money to hold a general election in this country. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend another 100 million dollars to shuffle seats around and trade one minority government for another.

The Liberals cannot cry opportunistic while they have repeatedly done this themselves. And if we want to talk about selling out. Let's talk about Martin's desperate deals with the NDP and Ontario along with all the other announcments that have suddenly appeared in the last 3 weeks.

My dad until a few weeks ago was voting Liberal. Once Martin made his deal with the NDP he lost my dad's vote. My dad said "i cant vote for this guy now because he sold us out to the NDP."

He's right.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'd hazard to guess the entire budget surplus would be spent on social issues.

That would be a nightmare. Endless deficits and money thrown down the toilet on national daycare and environmental projects that would have minimal impact. Not to mention how the NDP is famous for funding every little pet project and artsy fartsy grant under the sun.

No thanks!

What we need is reform and spending, not JUST more spending. Right now we just keep throwing good money after bad.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf 1997: the country faced a major crisis as the Manitoba floods left hundreds homeless... Reform leader Preston Manning appealed to Chretien to delay the election for a couple of months to allow people to get back on their feet before voting. Chretien didn't delay the vote because the Lieberals were up in the polls. Early election (3.5 year Parliament) Result: Liberal majority. 2000: editorial boards and others around the country wanted Chretien to delay the election to allow the new Canadian Alliance, the Official Opposition and government-in-waiting (which had been formed just a few months earlier) some time to develop policies before an election. Chretien didn't listen. Early election (3.5 year Parliament) Result: Liberal majority. 2004: after Martin shut down the Public Accounts committee looking into AdScam, but then set up the limited Gomery Commission, the opposition wanted to delay the election until the facts came out. Martin didn't listen, and instead called an early election. Early election (3.5 year Parliament) Result: Lieberal minority. So it's VERY hypocritical for the Lieberals to call for a delay in elections at this time.

Good point!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by The Ear Does anyone remember what happened the last time the conservatives (note the small "c" being used) ran the country? ... just testin your memories & biases here

Well first off the conservatives have never run the country. You must be thinking of the old Progressive conservatives. And what went on with them pales in comparison to the theft and cronyism that has happened with the Liberals in the past 13 years. Not only that but Canadians punished the PCs by leaving them with 2 seats. This is punishment for far less than what the Liberals have done today. All im asking for is the same punishment for these crooks. Any government that defies the will of the people deserves to be kicked out.

The Liberals need a time out to think about what they have done.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The Liberals cannot cry opportunistic while they have repeatedly done this themselves. And if we want to talk about selling out. Let's talk about Martin's desperate deals with the NDP and Ontario along with all the other announcments that have suddenly appeared in the last 3 weeks.

I agree on both counts, however, I can cry opportunism and I would be correct that forcing an election now is opportunism on the part of the conservatives. I do agree, however, that this is a time of electoral advantage for them and I would not/do not blame them for wanting to realize that advantage, in fact, I would do the same (as I have mentioned many times prior).

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I wasn't arguing economics, I was mearly countering Jay's argument that the only possible reason people don't want an election now is due to lazyness.

but think about it... why dont canadians want an election? Do you think they really think about how much it costs?

No... they just dont want to have survivor interupted by another debate nor do they want to spend a half hour out of their day to vote for a new government.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill