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Originally posted by ShadoWolf There is no coalition. The Bloc is a far left socialist party that wants Quebec to secede from Canada. The CPC is the opposite. What they share, rightly, is a disdain for the corrupt Lieberals. They have both, independently and for their own reasons, decided to vote against the Lieberal-NDP budget. BTW, the Lieberals and the NDP have an informal alliance at the moment. Were you even aware of that? Don't fall for their lies.

Sure, there's no coalition now, but in the event the Conservatives win an upcoming federal election, they will almost certainly not do any better (and more likely worse) than the current # of seats the Liberals hold. In order to function as a government, they'd have to rely on Bloc support to get anything passed - and therein lies the "coalition / alliance" that people speak of.

By the time there is a next election the liberals will have found a new riding for her to be in.

Dear Belinda Stronach,

Fuck you and die.

Regards,

Vertigo

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Sure, there's no coalition now, but in the event the Conservatives win an upcoming federal election, they will almost certainly not do any better (and more likely worse) than the current # of seats the Liberals hold. In order to function as a government, they'd have to rely on Bloc support to get anything passed - and therein lies the "coalition / alliance" that people speak of.

This session, the Lieberals relied on all parties to govern, including the Bloc. How do you think Bill C-38 got past 1st reading...

The CPC will have to do the same. Actually, liberals and centrists would like it because the CPC would have to accomidate the other parties to govern properly.

Ultimately though, all minority governments are unstable. Eventually, a majority will emerge, probably when the fiscal imbalance is addressed.


In the meantime, get the corrupt Lieberals out of power and clean up government. Autitor-General Shiela Fraser just came out with some recommendations, and so did the CPC.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Dear Belinda Stronach, Fuck you and die. Regards, Vertigo

before you die - don't forget to add me to the will......you owe ME!!!!

summer 2003 - at the club - I brought you water....remember....you were parched...and I told you about that smudge under your eye...tried to save your face then......

LOL!!!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf This session, the Lieberals relied on all parties to govern, including the Bloc. How do you think Bill C-38 got past 1st reading... The CPC will have to do the same. Actually, liberals and centrists would like it because the CPC would have to accomidate the other parties to govern properly.

Sure... you have to rely on various parties for various issues as a minority... but who do you REGULARLY fall back on? In this case, the NDP has routinely been supporting Liberal votes.

I highly doubt the CPC could regularly count on the support of the Liberals or NDP, so they'd have only the Bloc to look to.

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Originally posted by HouseJunkie And, for the record, I believe Paul Martin when he says he didn't know what was going on with the sponsorship scandal. Even though he was the Finance Minister, I blame Chretien (who coincidentally never has anything to say on the subject since he came out of office).

How can you be a finance minister and not be aware of finances? That makes you either a) an idiot and incompatent, or b) a liar.

Either one doesnt bode well for a prime minister.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced By the time there is a next election the liberals will have found a new riding for her to be in.

and hence there is an even better reason to be cynical about the so called "democratic process".

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Sure... you have to rely on various parties for various issues as a minority... but who do you REGULARLY fall back on? In this case, the NDP has routinely been supporting Liberal votes.

It was the CPC that the Lieberals used to "fall back on" most this session (until the Gomery Commission did its work). The NDP and Bloc voted AGAINST the Lieberals! The CPC abstained.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Dear Belinda Stronach, Fuck you and die. Regards, Vertigo

+1 (but change it to loca)

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf It was the CPC that the Lieberals used to "fall back on" most this session (until the Gomery Commission did its work). The NDP and Bloc voted AGAINST the Lieberals! The CPC abstained.

Oh really? Odd.... having a look at the LEGISinfo site on Parliament's website, of the bills that have recorded votes:

CPC voted against: 9 (C-2, C-11, C-13, C-14, C-17, C-21, C-31, C-32, C-39)

CPC voted for: 7 (C-3, C-5, C-9, C-22, C-23, C-24, C-30) (of which one was a vote to raise the pay of MPs)

There are no listed bills on the site from which the CPC abstained. Sure looks like the Grits haven't been counting all that much on the Conservatives to prop them up based on these numbers.

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Oh really? Odd.... having a look at the LEGISinfo site on Parliament's website, of the bills that have recorded votes: CPC voted against: 9 (C-2, C-11, C-13, C-14, C-17, C-21, C-31, C-32, C-39) CPC voted for: 7 (C-3, C-5, C-9, C-22, C-23, C-24, C-30) (of which one was a vote to raise the pay of MPs) There are no listed bills on the site from which the CPC abstained. Sure looks like the Grits haven't been counting all that much on the Conservatives to prop them up based on these numbers.

so i dont get it... is baystreetboi now a liberal?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill