some of the facts you gave are completely false . yes it's true that there was a little jewish community living in the middle-east , BUT it was only a small minority . under the turkish authority there was NO israel , and the jewish community in palestine was never big enough to have its own country .

trancegiant , do u remember what i told u last time ? why the hell everytime we speak about the middle-east conflict someone comes and says THE HOLOCAUST IN WORLD WAR II ... i know it was a horrible thing but that doesn't justify what's happening right now ... unless israel is taking on revenge on arabs (which won't surprise me it it was true) .

ok now let's say the jews have really suffered in world war 2 and that they want their own country . ok no problem with that . but how do u justify the massacres commited in the arab villages ? how do u justify the stolen lands ? and now u expect these people to remain calm ? this is how u want peace ? i'm sorry but there's a price to pay for peace , peace doesn't come like that . if u want peace , then give them back what u took from them in the 50's and 60's .

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 u like stereotypes don't u ? well what about these : do u have a big nose ? are u greedy ? are you smelly ? just because u ride a car doesn't mean u look like an european ... and why the hell u guys hate Arabs and Muslims ?

U R right we aint from europe and we(maybe only me)

dont hate arebs i only hate the terorist or them

why they they hate us cuz we ware borned.

they r ôøéîéèáéí!

sorry i dont know how to write it in english

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 ok now let's say the jews have really suffered in world war 2 and that they want their own country . ok no problem with that . but how do u justify the massacres commited in the arab villages ? how do u justify the stolen lands ? and now u expect these people to remain calm ? this is how u want peace ? i'm sorry but there's a price to pay for peace , peace doesn't come like that . if u want peace , then give them back what u took from them in the 50's and 60's .

do u justify the horrible things they do to us?!
have u heard about what happend in the dolphinarium??
they killed innocente children for god's sake!!!
how can u agree to something horribe as that!?!?
we want peace with them... but they have to want it too
if we would just sit like that and won't respond to incidents like this it could get even worse and that's not something that any jewish want. if they can't understand tollarence they have to understand violence

About 2 months ago 3 of my best friends decided to take a bus to jerusalem, they wanted to buy some new clothes and get a haircut.
When they got to the enterance to jerusalem they heard shooting - apparently a palestinien guy started shooting at all the peaple that were standing at the bus station, my friends were lucky that their bus didnt came 5 minuts earlier, they might been dead now you know...

this is how the palastinies fight for their freedom, by shooting at inocent people that all they wanted to do is have some fun in the capital of israel???.
i dont think thoes kids ever done something bad to thoes arabs, soo why do they deserve to die???????

can you answer this question FASTDJMP3?

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FASTDJMP3 - most of my friends are afraid taking buses because lots of buses explodes in the end because of the arabs.
do u think its normal that a child should be scared for his life although he didn't do anything?
i think u should think about things before u say them

FASTDJMP3

you have some real problems in understanding text!

I explained to you a fact. They started a war on us. then they started more wars again and again, now they started the second Intefada. those people want to kill us. Can u call this Israeli Occupation ?? no way!

we are not just holding they're land. After they tried to kill us we gave them an authonomy they could live there peacfully.we started peace talks , Barak started talking with them about Palestinian country...but oops. just after the talks Arafat declairs an Intifada. why? because they don't want to split the country to two nations - Israel and Palestine. they just want to get rid of us. NOw they send each day terrorist to blow up us and almost each day!!! they shoot on cars on the road killing already hundreds of innocent people. You can't say that we took their lands.. they have a goverment and self police and sea fleet etc. They asked for the Conflict. Israel has no need in it. It hurts israel alot,. but israel has no choice - but selfdefence. you can't give in the hands of killer and terrorist like arafat a country. the first thing he will do is open another war on israel!!! its a fact.

we should wait for another leader to come. lets be Reasonable.
and by the way the palestinians we kill as they say. much much of them are known terrorists that a big part of them arafat freed out of prison at the begining of the intifada.

all i said are facts. you cant argue with it!

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 some of the facts you gave are completely false . yes it's true that there was a little jewish community living in the middle-east , BUT it was only a small minority . under the turkish authority there was NO israel , and the jewish community in palestine was never big enough to have its own country . trancegiant , do u remember what i told u last time ? why the hell everytime we speak about the middle-east conflict someone comes and says THE HOLOCAUST IN WORLD WAR II ... i know it was a horrible thing but that doesn't justify what's happening right now ... unless israel is taking on revenge on arabs (which won't surprise me it it was true) . ok now let's say the jews have really suffered in world war 2 and that they want their own country . ok no problem with that . but how do u justify the massacres commited in the arab villages ? how do u justify the stolen lands ? and now u expect these people to remain calm ? this is how u want peace ? i'm sorry but there's a price to pay for peace , peace doesn't come like that . if u want peace , then give them back what u took from them in the 50's and 60's .

Actually im not responsible for what OTHERS say in this discussion. Did you read my post? did you red the words WW2 or Holocaust there? Cause i dont NEED it at all. its just another confirmation of my point: every nation/people needs its independent state, ESPECIALLY the jews since they were discriminated against over and over in history and were never really WELCOME in any country.
Therefore im also in favour of a Palestinian State as soon as it guarantees Israel security( not as long as terrorists like Arafat encourage terrorism and let those outta prison who carry out those act)
When mentioning massares such as Deir Yassin ull always have to look on the other side, for example the killings in Hebron 1929. No, im not gonna fight about who killed first, that wont lead nowhere- as gil said..
Im not sure if ull acept ANY of my arguments but i want to to think about the use of "stolen palestina". theres no reason whatsoever to see it as stolen land.
Neither politially nor who the hell knows..

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Originally posted by Flotser we are not just holding they're land. After they tried to kill us we gave them an authonomy they could live there peacfully.we started peace talks , Barak started talking with them about Palestinian country...but oops. just after the talks Arafat declairs an Intifada. why? because they don't want to split the country to two nations - Israel and Palestine. they just want to get rid of us. NOw they send each day terrorist to blow up us and almost each day!!! they shoot on cars on the road killing already hundreds of innocent people. You can't say that we took their lands.. they have a goverment and self police and sea fleet etc. They asked for the Conflict. Israel has no need in it. It hurts israel alot,. but israel has no choice - but selfdefence. you can't give in the hands of killer and terrorist like arafat a country. the first thing he will do is open another war on israel!!! its a fact. we should wait for another leader to come. lets be Reasonable. and by the way the palestinians we kill as they say. much much of them are known terrorists that a big part of them arafat freed out of prison at the begining of the intifada. [/B]

all of this is true facts
FASTDJMP3 - can u blame us for wasting arab terrorists??
it's not like we go to arabs and start killing them one after another
they r planning all the terrorist's act and we mustn't give up without fighting back

as we speak here another bus has just exploded
3 people died and 9 injured
those people didn't do anything to that terrorist
can u explain me y they had to die like that??
it's a discrase!!!!

to hell_copter : do u justify sniping a 10 years old kid just because he throws stones ? isn't that horrible ? is this how the soldiers defend themselves from the stones ? if we count the dead in both sides , u'll find more palestinians dead than israelis .

and why thell u guys are talking to me like if i'm one of those terrorists ?

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 to hell_copter : do u justify sniping a 10 years old kid just because he throws stones ? isn't that horrible ? is this how the soldiers defend themselves from the stones ? if we count the dead in both sides , u'll find more palestinians dead than israelis . and why thell u guys are talking to me like if i'm one of those terrorists ?

why should a 10 years old child throw stones in the first place?!
i'll tell you why
it's the education the get from their parents
they teach them to hate us and to kill us in any chance they got
besides, in the incident in the dolphinarium the terrorists killed not one but more than 15
one child is killed from their side and they are crying for help from the world
they are manipulative and we can't agree with what they wwant from us

we are not talking to u like u r one of the terrorists but we r trying to explain to you the things u on't understand

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as a matter of fact, i pm'd swamper about 2-3 months ago telling him that Israel isn't geographically in Europe, but in western Asia....

no reply from him, but whatever...it dont make much difference to me anyhow....

as long as u guys dont think u're being misrepresented geographically

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