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malek
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

quote:
Originally posted by ++ EGO ++
-I phoned apple myself, and they agreed to repair it as they sent me a box to ship it out, I just thought it would be easier to come to the store so I wouldn't have to depart with my machine for 2-3 weeks.


never bring your computer or whatever else for repairs at a retail store, you'll just waste your time and wait longer.

deal directly with the manufacturer.


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TrickDaddE
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by malek
never bring your computer or whatever else for repairs at a retail store, you'll just waste your time and wait longer.

deal directly with the manufacturer.


...And Pay half of what you could buy a new system for or replacement parts!!!


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zokissima
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Toronto

I know that with PCs DIY is the way to go, with pretty much anything. How easy is it to upgrade/maintain parts for Macs?

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starsearcher
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by TrickDaddE
...And Pay half of what you could buy a new system for or replacement parts!!!


Unless it's under warranty of course


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VERTiG0
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: no longer Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

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Surreal JRS
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Kicking it in Toronto, Canada
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^^^^nice VERTiG0! OSX running on commodity Intel compatible hardware gives me joygasms!

You can't go wrong with a UNIX based core and a pretty 3D GUI. I use a KVM switch to toggle between my XP box and Linux/KDE box. KDE is a great desktop environment, but can't touch OSX in eyecandyness!


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VERTiG0
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Isn't OSX a gigantic memory hog though, even moreso than Windows?

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Surreal JRS
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Pop goes this bubble, maybe?

After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."

source:
http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+th...ml?tag=nefd.top


To back this claim up, apparently Apple won't be using Open Firmware. This pretty much means their machines will be booting a non-standard BIOS.

source:
http://developer.apple.com/document...iversal_binary/


So... it's pretty apparent that you need to buy an Appleized Intel box in order to officially run OSX. However there are a lot of smart kernel hackers out there who could probably develop a patch set to circumvent the Apple hardware requirement. Open OSX?


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starsearcher
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Registered: Jan 2003
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Originally posted by SurrJRS
Pop goes this bubble, maybe?

After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."

source:
http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+th...ml?tag=nefd.top


To back this claim up, apparently Apple won't be using Open Firmware. This pretty much means their machines will be booting a non-standard BIOS.

source:
http://developer.apple.com/document...iversal_binary/


So... it's pretty apparent that you need to buy an Appleized Intel box in order to officially run OSX. However there are a lot of smart kernel hackers out there who could probably develop a patch set to circumvent the Apple hardware requirement. Open OSX?




I'm sure there'll be enough techy geeks to issue patches and make it run on PC...no doubt in my mind


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Surreal JRS
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Joygasm!

My IRC minions are looking for this as we speak

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.p...4&tid=179&tid=1

quote:
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 Leaked?
Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday June 12, @09:19AM from the believe-it-when-i-boot-it dept.
patr1ck writes "Mac Daily News is reporting that Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 processors has been leaked to the internet already. Apparently the version running on the development kit machines is easily transfered to run on any x86 machine. Conspiracy theorists unite: an Apple marketing scheme?"


http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/6012/

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Report: Apple Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hits piracy sites

Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:14 PM EST

"There is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components," Jeff Harrell writes for The Shape of Days. "The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs... I estimate that we're down to a matter of hours before Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hardware is available for download on Internet software piracy sites and peer-to-peer piracy networks. (Update: A reader who for obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous just demonstrated to me that the software is, in fact, already available on Internet software piracy sites.) If I can think through this stuff, Apple's management can think through this stuff. This is the most awe-inspiring stealth marketing move I've ever seen."

"According to reports, Apple's bundled iLife applications, major selling points for the Mac operating system, are already Intel-native and run at full speed... Given Apple's experiences with software piracy, particularly the rampant software piracy that spread developer builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger all over the Internet this past spring, Apple's management from the top down knows full well that this developer preview will be in the hands of every kid with a cable modem within days of its release. Most of them will be able to install it on their own computers and run it and the full suite of iLife '05 applications at full speed, and run most existing Mac software in translation. As a result, Apple will give thousands, possibly millions, of people a taste of Mac OS X running full speed on their own PCs. Apple's giving their potential future customers a free taste, that's what they're doing. It's a try-before-you-buy deal," Harrell writes.

Also, full article (by Jeff Harrell @ ShapeOfDays.com)...

Mac OS X on Intel: Try before you buy?

Item the first: Apple is not staffed entirely by idiots. This is self-evident, and it's important to what follows. Keep this in mind as we proceed.

Item the second: The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs. This information has just become public in the past few hours. (Comments I made to the contrary yesterday and on Monday were erroneous. The source who fed me that information has been sent to bed without any supper, and says to tell you he's very sorry and that it won't happen again.)

Item the third: It's safe to assume, given the timeframe, that the developer transition kits that Apple will ship within a couple of weeks will be fundamentally similar to, if not outright identical to, the Power Macs on display at the conference.

Item the fourth: The Power Macs on display at the show run a one-off build of Mac OS X 10.4.1 that incorporates the few necessary changes that were required to get the operating system running on the Intel hardware. This build includes Apple's bundled iLife '05 suite of applications.

Item the fifth: Because Intel's LaGrande security technology is not yet incorporated into any shipping products, it's safe to assume that it's not present in these transition-kit computers.

Item the sixth: Given items two through five, apart from the constraints introduced by hardware-software interfaces, there is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components.

Item the seventh: Because the Intel version of Mac OS X that's being distributed to developers is a one-off build, future software patches, including all-important security patches, will not install on top of it, making it totally useless to anybody who's not a developer of Mac software.

Item the eighth: Given items two through seven, I estimate that we're down to a matter of hours before Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hardware is available for download on Internet software piracy sites and peer-to-peer piracy networks. (Update: A reader who for obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous just demonstrated to me that the software is, in fact, already available on Internet software piracy sites.)

Item the ninth: If I can think through this stuff, Apple's management can think through this stuff. See item one.

Item the tenth: This is the most awe-inspiring stealth marketing move I've ever seen.

Think about it. Apple releases a developers-only preview release of Mac OS X for Intel. It's a fully functional release of the operating system, not a beta or prerelease copy. It will work reliably, and it will run the vast majority of existing Mac applications unmodified via the Rosetta translation technology. But because this is a one-off developer release, it's of very little value to computer owners. Future software updates, like the soon-to-be-released 10.4.2 update, won't install. Existing Mac software will run, but it will run in translation, which means it will be frustratingly slow. But according to reports, Apple's bundled iLife applications, major selling points for the Mac operating system, are already Intel-native and run at full speed.

Given Apple's experiences with software piracy, particularly the rampant software piracy that spread developer builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger all over the Internet this past spring, Apple's management from the top down knows full well that this developer preview will be in the hands of every kid with a cable modem within days of its release. Most of them will be able to install it on their own computers and run it and the full suite of iLife '05 applications at full speed, and run most existing Mac software in translation.

As a result, Apple will give thousands, possibly millions, of people a taste of Mac OS X running full speed on their own PCs.

Apple's giving their potential future customers a free taste, that's what they're doing. It's a try-before-you-buy deal.

It's possible that any one of the ten items above -- well, except number one -- is wrong either in detail or completely. It's possible that I'm totally off-base here. But I don't think so. I think there's a possibility, a very real possibility, that I'm right about this. And that thought gives me the chills. In a good way.


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