I have had no problems with FS1.5 or 2.0. I've used them both extensively at no less than 3hrs daily for quite some time.

I am very interested to test out the RANE SSL just to see how it compares and why one would actually switch from something they put so much effort into promoting in the first place.

I'm quite interested actually.

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Ive owned FS1, FS2 and SSL.

SSL is the only one I still use.

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Originally posted by Ludikruz Ive owned FS1, FS2 and SSL. SSL is the only one I still use.

Please explain to me why you think ssl is better?

What is it about fs2 you didnt like?
Is the time code more accurate?
Thats my only consern when digital djing. Percition.
Thats often lost in the digital world.
Technics pioneered acurate decks for years.

thank you :-)

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Originally posted by harriz Please explain to me why you think ssl is better? What is it about fs2 you didnt like? Is the time code more accurate? Thats my only consern when digital djing. Percition. Thats often lost in the digital world. Technics pioneered acurate decks for years. thank you :-)

Maybe because Serato Scratch just works, whereas a number of people have had difficulties getting Final Scratch to work.

Regarding the timecode issue, let's see if there is any advantage to using Firewire (like Final Scratch) instead of USB (like Serato Scratch). Suppose we want to timecode every sample in 15 minutes of DVD Audio (96 kHz sampling rate). The total number of samples is (96 000 samples/second) x (15 minutes) x (60 seconds/minute) = 86 400 000 samples. Now if we want to assign an integer timecode to each sample, we need to allocate log2(86 400 000) = 26.3 bits/sample. Just to be safe, let's allocate a few bits for error correction, so let's say 32 bits/sample. Then the bitrate for the timecode is (32 bits/sample) x (96 000 samples/second) = 3 072 000 bits/second, or about 3.1 megabits/second. This is well below the 12 megabit/second bandwidth of USB, and Firewire is just overkill.

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Originally posted by [NFC]Wave This I didn't know. Interesting to hear his reasoning on doing so from Final Scratch, especially with FS2.0 released now.

there prolle pay'n him more

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Originally posted by las3rjock Regarding the timecode issue, let's see if there is any advantage to using Firewire (like Final Scratch) instead of USB (like Serato Scratch). Suppose we want to timecode every sample in 15 minutes of DVD Audio (96 kHz sampling rate). The total number of samples is (96 000 samples/second) x (15 minutes) x (60 seconds/minute) = 86 400 000 samples. Now if we want to assign an integer timecode to each sample, we need to allocate log2(86 400 000) = 26.3 bits/sample. Just to be safe, let's allocate a few bits for error correction, so let's say 32 bits/sample. Then the bitrate for the timecode is (32 bits/sample) x (96 000 samples/second) = 3 072 000 bits/second, or about 3.1 megabits/second. This is well below the 12 megabit/second bandwidth of USB, and Firewire is just overkill.

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jeeze this argument is still going on. i suggest everyone jsut let people use what they like

I saw Paul at the Cream Amnesia opening party and he appeared to be using CDRs for the most part. Has he been having trouble with this new software?

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Originally posted by DJ Dingel I saw Paul at the Cream Amnesia opening party and he appeared to be using CDRs for the most part. Has he been having trouble with this new software?

Ahhhh! That's good to hear. I used love it when I saw Paul throw in a CD. Partly because I use CDJ1000s, and mostly because I knew it would be something new, not yet pressed.

I hope there are no problems with SSL and I hope Paul has run out of hard drive space for the latest tunes and is playing them (finally).

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FS2.0 does not work probably. it glitched on Paul a few times during WMC. Stanton engineers from Ft. Lauderdale were trying to figure out the problem without success.

Some time in April Paul switched to SSL and have not had a problem with it afaik. He still uses the same notebook (powerbook g4) which would not work with FS.

I'm pretty sure I read Paul was being sponsored by Stanton, but nothing about getting actually paid for using the product.

hope this helps.

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Originally posted by CivicRydr Ahhhh! That's good to hear. I used love it when I saw Paul throw in a CD. Partly because I use CDJ1000s, and mostly because I knew it would be something new, not yet pressed. I hope there are no problems with SSL and I hope Paul has run out of hard drive space for the latest tunes and is playing them (finally).

So at this show here in Seattle there was basically nothing between the PVD and the crowd. Since I own the Rane 2016, CDJs and SSL it was pretty much able to follow everything he was doing technically. (I think.) I noticed some pretty interesting things.



During the break down I am pretty sure (95%) he mixed the sound of a crowd cheering in from the CDJ. The reason I think this is that I have noticed that some of the tracks he plays have the sound of cheers pre-mixed in. Listen to 'Just For a Day' in any of his sets. The same crowd is ALWAYS there during the break down. So he has a history of doing it. Also, when I looked at the BPM count on the CDJ and it was in the 260's. I've mixed a couple effects in with CDJs and crazy BPMs are normal on non-beat tracks. Additionally I thought I could hear it but then again the place was going insane.

He did play a few CDs which he pulled out of Vandit 'Promo' branded cardboard CD cases. I thought it was odd -- why not just play them from SSL? But as the night went on he basically moved only to SSL. I think the last hour had maybe one CD and the rest was all SSL.

I also noticed that he would slightly drop the mid over a 32 beat count and then slam it back it. On a big system this reinforces the kick and sounds wicked. Nice little trick.

At some point during the show water (or a drink) flew all over the playing SSL record. Paul had a 'oh shit' look on his face and I was kinda surprised he didn't switch to internal mode. (Later in the night he switch to internal mode a couple time to clean the dust of the needles so he knows about it and all.) SSL didn't flinch at all. I continued to track just fine. I was impressed. He let the track play out, cleaned it off on his shirt and then when on mixing.

Outside of PVD I am happy that FS is out there. Competition is good although honestly it doesn't seem like the Serato/Rane people even pay much attention to FS. But still, I wouldn't want to see FS go away.

Keith

Last edited by Keith Chambers on Jul-19-2005 at 17:31

One thing I've always wondered with programs like SSL and FS, what if you are playing a set using it on your TTs, and you decide to chuck on a 'real' record, can you still play normal records thorugh it?

Or once you use the program are you stuck with using it unless you unhook and plug the TT into the mixer?

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