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Originally posted by DigiNut Quantum mechanics is over 100 years old. And if you're going to compare it to the "old east", then the old east would be classical mechanics, not spirituality. Oh, and quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical mechanics, it's simply another branch of physics. I really can't see how that analogy reflects real science.

Over 100 years old. Damn the discovery of teh photoelectric effect. Light frequencies ejecting electrons, implying light has mass....Damn you physicists!

And yes, quantum doesn't replace classical physics, it's just a better model for more accurately predicting phenomena. You could work out a dynamics problem with quantum, but to save you 5 pages in calculation, you could use a newtonian method and solve it in two lines, where you're accuracy would be down to 99.99998%

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Originally posted by DigiNut Quantum mechanics is over 100 years old. And if you're going to compare it to the "old east", then the old east would be classical mechanics, not spirituality. Oh, and quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical mechanics, it's simply another branch of physics. I really can't see how that analogy reflects real science. Also (Penny - this is *not* about you, it's about some of the other posts in this thread), I'm sorry if I'm opening another can of worms here, but I am getting really fucking sick of being told that some philosophy or some book will "change my life for the better" or "transform my thinking in a positive way". If something made a positive impact on YOU, then that's absolutely wonderful, and I'd love to hear about something that you found very interesting and/or thought-provoking. But people don't seem to realize how bloody arrogant and condescending it sounds to be told that something will make you a better person if you would just read it or adopt that philosophy. What does that imply about the person I am now? Hearing those words instantly turns me OFF of what the person is recommending. If you want to spark an interest in something, then do exactly what Penny did in the first post - tell us what it meant to YOU and give us a link or a synopsis. Don't tell me what it's going to mean to ME, because you don't f-in' know that!

I agree.

A good example is when approaching movie stars... instead of telling them how well you think they acted (which they may or may not agree with) - you could tell them how the movie affected yourself, and I'm sure they would appreciate it more.

But dude, you make a big deal out of it. Yeah, I presumed how the books would affect readers when in fact the benefits are not guaranteed, but it was an earnest suggestion, borne not out of arrogance.

I saw this movie last year when it was in theatres... I personally think it's a very very bad explanation of a lotta aspects of quantum and philosophy in general. Anybody who has studied philosophy knows that a lot of the stuff in this movie is utter garbage. One of the ladies who did some of the interviews was a FORTUNE TELLER!!! Another was something like a HAIRSTYLIST?!?! WTF?!?! I think only 1 or 2 of the people interviewed ACTUALLY HAD PHDs and they were the only people who knew what they were talking about. Most of that movie I found to be a waste of time.

Interesting special effects though.

My favourite philosophy work continues to be Stephen Hawking's book A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. Very well written and explained correctly.

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Penny....I saw bits and pieces of it a while back at a friends place. I found it interesting and had put it on my mental list of things I want to watch and explore further. You have proven once again that coincidences do not exist because your post remind me about it. Thanks!

BTW...What made you rent or watch this? Did somebody point you in this direction or were you drawn to it on your own. Hmmmmm?

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Originally posted by cap I agree. A good example is when approaching movie stars... instead of telling them how well you think they acted (which they may or may not agree with) - you could tell them how the movie affected yourself, and I'm sure they would appreciate it more. But dude, you make a big deal out of it. Yeah, I presumed how the books would affect readers when in fact the benefits are not guaranteed, but it was an earnest suggestion, borne not out of arrogance.

Sorry, I guess that did come across a little harsh. I was already in a bad mood when I wrote it. It's just one of those pet peeves. I don't question intent, and I know that the people who say that are just trying to share something that's important to them. I think everyone who doesn't live in a cave spends most of his waking hours hearing marketing pitches with the worst possible kinds of arrogance (i.e. "you deserve it" or "you know you want it"), so anything that sounds like a marketing pitch gets on my nerves. It's a fine line, I know...

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I was just enlightened perhaps. I liked the morals of the story - perhaps not agreeing with everything but still believing in the idea.

The one thing that stood out to me is this particular part of the movie: http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

I just thought it was an incredible concept. Saying positive things and doing positive things seem to have a way better outcome for me personally. This is based on personal experience.

Honestly I am a happy camper so I want to share any of the things that make me happy. This movie made me happy. Happy is contagious.

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe The one thing that stood out to me is this particular part of the movie: http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/ I just thought it was an incredible concept. Saying positive things and doing positive things seem to have a way better outcome for me personally. This is based on personal experience.

that combined with the bathroom scene...I immediately ran to find a magic marker. I think the only thing I didn't write on was my nose Just kidding... it did really reminded me of how very cruel we can be to ourselves with negative energy.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot My favourite philosophy work continues to be Stephen Hawking's book A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. Very well written and explained correctly.

Amazing work this book is. And don't be scared off by the fact it's stephen hawking writing it. You know, the guy in the wheelchair with the robot voice, he really does an excellent job explaining quantum theory. Hell I even used it to study for a relativity test when my text offered me a terrible explaination of 'light cones'

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