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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ hehe, how'd i know that someone with such a cool username would agree with me

Female intuition? :P

Anyway, I understand that people are upset about other countryment leeching of the government. Heck, I complain about this problem in Germany all the time, since the system there provides no/ very little incentives to get a new job once unemployed. However, the there is a big jump from 'being lazy' to actively assaulting other people. I could just as well blame the gun laws: If people did not have guns, they could have not shot at the rescuers. The OP's statement "If people did not have welfare (i.e. housing, food), they would not have looted" seems to make even less sense.

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I have to concur with Donny and the rest of his posse here - sorry pkcRAISTLIN but you're simply just full of shit.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the damn crime rate that this welfare state creates. I mean, who the hell isn't tired of poor white and black trash in our welfare state committing crimes and fucking the common man?

Take this piece of shit here:



That sloppy piece of low-life turd gets a DUI - go figure, right? I mean, who would want to put up with this poor white trailer park trash possibly running people over? I'm sick to death of shits like this living off of our money. Here's his pathetic story:

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Son of Florida Gov. Bush Arrested By Associated Press September 17, 2005, 8:32 AM EDT AUSTIN, Texas -- The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested early Friday and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest, law enforcement officials said. John Ellis Bush, 21, was arrested by agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission at 2:30 a.m. on a corner of Austin's Sixth Street bar district, said commission spokesman Roger Wade. The nephew of President Bush was released on $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge, officials said. Wade said he had no further details about the charges. Gov. Bush and his wife Columba appeared Friday evening at a museum reception in Miami. "My son's doing fine. It's a private matter. We will support him. We're sad for him. But I'm not going to discuss it on the public square with 30 cameras," the governor told reporters. It's not the first time Florida's first family has experienced legal problems with one of their children. Noelle Bush, the governor's daughter, was arrested in January 2002 and accused of trying to pass a fraudulent prescription at a pharmacy to obtain the anti-anxiety drug Xanax. She completed a drug rehabilitation program in August 2003 and a judge dismissed the drug charges against her. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...ation-headlines

Fucking nerve! And fighting off the law like that - I'm sick of poor, poverty-stricken ******s like him thinkin' he's oppressed and all.

Or other fucks like this too:

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/200..._0421_27_26.txt

Or fuck, how 'bout some other "victims" of our welfare society:

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.c...rime_family.htm

Aren't you all sick and tired of these fucks living off of our system? Shouldn't we be fighting the good fight against shits like these, making sure that our "dog-eat-dog" system works right?

Can I get an "AMEN BROTHER" ?!?!?

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Misteropus, what in the sam hell does the arrest history of a fucked up family have to do with the welfare of americans?

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Wow, you actually had to use a cement spackel to lay that sarcasm on, Opus. Lay it on thick, brutha!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well for a start I'd hardly describe America as a model welfare state to begin with...

Exactly, who the hell would call America a welfare state? Anyway that article was posted in some other thread quite a while back...

But this thread is just hillarious, and yet so fucking sad.

And great post Opus, hahahaha...

Its actually just sad. Amazing how far one guy will go to avoid facts.

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Originally posted by kush paintings Misteropus, what in the sam hell does the arrest history of a fucked up family have to do with the welfare of americans?

That's just a slight bit of irony, that's all. I mean, if people in welfare get what they deserved, then people like that fucked up individual I posted about and his family certainly should get what they deserve, just like the crime-ridden welfare folk, right?

Unless, of course, we're discussing a different form of welfare.....

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Exactly, who the hell would call America a welfare state?

yeah, i do find it pretty weird. still, donny and a few others seem convinced the US is a model of welfare assistance. lmao!

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I have an excellent idea: Let's round them all up and send them to Auschwitz! That will make sure that this 'scum' gets taken care of once and for all.

I don't even find that statement funny, let alone relevant or "clever". If your'e trying to imply I'm a racist for stating my views on certain black people, good luck...if you'd read my posts, you'd find I've not spewed or condoned hate against any race!

As for my buddy, "Pakistani Raisen", I don't know what else to tell you dude. I've said it all before already; You don't live in this country, yet here you are, telling ME...someone who's lived in this country and has witnessed exactly what the author of the article is talking about (as have some others in this thread), how our welfare system works and how it's benificial to us.......amazing.

And I have made the connections, you just can't grasp what I'm talking about becuase again, you don't live here or know the culture. These concepts of entitlement are as foreign to you as Aliens, because you haven't exeperienced them first-hand...again, because; YOU DON'T LIVE HERE!

And yes, there have always been looters in times of natural disaters, but how do you explain that in the L.A. Riots the looting happened exclusively in black neighborhoods? I'm sure the same thing happened in New Orleans. Why weren't the white people doing nearly as much looting? And don't say because blacks are poorer, we've already established that they are considerably better off today than they were 100 years ago without welfare......so how much supposed "poverty" is tolerable before you can't justify stealing anymore?

And I do know my American history, and the fact of the matter is Churches in this country at least have almost ALWAYS been the sole benefactors for the less fortunate in times of strife...they still are even today! I'm an Atheiest and I know this, so what's your problem exactly with this? You hate Churches and religion so much you can't even give credit where it's due?

As for your "books" you've SUPPOSEDLY read about welfare (I still find that hard to believe), would it make you feel better if I Googled a bunch of books to refute your books? Is that this this is about; A Google war? Would you then get off your soap box?

I think we've clearly established that you haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to telling me about how our welfare system works.........kindly keep your thoughts to your side of the Pacific, thanks.

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Donny, do you even read my posts? I addressed looting in hurricane history, I gave you a couple of facts about the welfare system and that I think will change your view at least somewhat of the welfare system.

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pakistani raisin! hahahaha, thats the first clever thing youve said!

your argument re not living in your country still doesnt hold any water. coz then i can just point out that you have only lived in certain sections of the US, so how could you speak specifically about other regions. imo a overaching understanding of welfare systems, both in and out of the US is a far better way of understanding the macro-view of social welfare in your and any other country. (Note: youve also posted in several non-strictly US threads, so unless youve lived all over the world, go and delete those posts to be consistent)

i understand perfectly well the concept of entitlement. but you still havent given me a causal link between the concept and its relationship to criminal acitivity. you still havent answered how a removal of welfare will engender a reduction in crime. i find it very difficult to believe removing what aid there is to the poorer sections of society will somehow create an environment where less criminal activity occurs. im still confused to be honest.

in the LA riots it was a race-related phenomena; again you havent stated how this occurence is even remotely associated with the US welfare state. please, provide this for me. how do you know the white people werent doing nearly as much looting in NO? you werent paying too much attention to your media now were you donny? that wouldnt be very clever of you, mr \"im not educated by the TV\". and lets assuming you are correct; you still need to prove to me that this was caused by the welfare system. black doesnt = welfare recipient.

yes, i totally agree with your statement re the churches. but their involvement in welfare was regional (at best) and certainly not an organised system that could provide for all in need. they may have done the best with what they had; but seriously, do you honestly believe a return to that system would engender positive change (aside from less taxes going to your welfare bludgers i mean).

again donny, i have no reason to lie to you, hahaha. i couldnt care less whether you believe ive read them or not. but its become painfully clear you havent read any, and have attached yourself to a bunch of empty rhetoric that ppl against welfare have been throwing around for decades (tho tbh this welfare=crime is a new one to me). no, i would just prefer it if you did some research and didnt always base your theories on the very narrow \"what donnybrasco has experienced\". in case you didnt know there are limitations to your experience. also for the record, you wouldnt find a bunch of books to refute my books; they are overarching *studies* of various welfare systems, *not* pro or anti welfare arguments per se. thats what a proper research undertaking is afterall.

i have plenty of legs to stand on, thanks. you havent answered any of my questions, havent linked anything ive asked you to. i would ask them again but theres most likely no point.

i have never stated that your welfare system is beneficial to you. i am simply asking people to back up their claims that welfare systems breed crime. and not a single person in this thread has provided even the smallest shred of evidence.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I don't even find that statement funny, let alone relevant or "clever". If your'e trying to imply I'm a racist for stating my views on certain black people, good luck...if you'd read my posts, you'd find I've not spewed or condoned hate against any race!

It is funny and clever, since your views are very similar to what many germans thought back in the 1930s. It was pretty simple, they were told that the jews stole and betrayed them, just like you say that black people on welfare do. It is irrelevant that you are only condemning a small subgroup, but it was pretty clear to me that it was a generalization about 'black people on welfare'.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco OUR tax dollars fund the housing and feeding of this scum in "The Projects"...how ironic is that? We're actually PAYING criminals to live in our cities, organize and victimize us...it's NUTS!!

which says: I do not want my tax dollars to pay for these people to live. This implies that you'd rather have them not exist, since I heard that when people do not eat, they usually die after a bit. Based on that comment, I suggested a much quicker solution for you.

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And yes, there have always been looters in times of natural disaters, but how do you explain that in the L.A. Riots the looting happened exclusively in black neighborhoods?

becasue coincidentally, most black neighborhoods are poor neighborhoods....

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And don't say because blacks are poorer, we've already established that they are considerably better off today than they were 100 years ago without welfare......so how much supposed "poverty" is tolerable before you can't justify stealing anymore?

Virtually all americans are better off today than they were 100 years ago. It's a flawed view. Compare the differences within society today and you will notice a very different pricture.

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