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Originally posted by kopi_luwak This is becoming another *I love music, I do music for love, just love only and who get benefits from jusic is the evil! bla bla bla crap thread*

I honestly don't see where anyone said or implied that.

I make tracks and I also work in software, and the principle is the same in both: it's great to make money and it's necessary to protect your intellectual property to the extent that it's practical. However, people who waste too much time on protecting their work and spend too little time on actually improving their work and coming up with new and innovative material are almost always frowned upon, both by the industry and by the general public.

For proof, you need look no further than Metallica (who lost almost all their support after they started whining about Napster) or Steinberg, Microsoft and Native Instruments in the software world (their protection schemes only piss off the legitimate paying users and don't do a thing to hamper the efforts of crackers).

Nobody is saying that it's wrong to try and make money from one's art. But artists need to accept the fact that at some point, their work IS going to get stolen, copied, reproduced, or otherwise ripped off, no matter what preventative or punitive measures they take. That's why the only TRUE solution for the "professional" (i.e. money-making) artists is to stay on their toes, keep creating new works and keep trying new things.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I honestly don't see where anyone said or implied that. I make tracks and I also work in software, and the principle is the same in both: it's great to make money and it's necessary to protect your intellectual property to the extent that it's practical. However, people who waste too much time on protecting their work and spend too little time on actually improving their work and coming up with new and innovative material are almost always frowned upon, both by the industry and by the general public. For proof, you need look no further than Metallica (who lost almost all their support after they started whining about Napster) or Steinberg, Microsoft and Native Instruments in the software world (their protection schemes only piss off the legitimate paying users and don't do a thing to hamper the efforts of crackers). Nobody is saying that it's wrong to try and make money from one's art. But artists need to accept the fact that at some point, their work IS going to get stolen, copied, reproduced, or otherwise ripped off, no matter what preventative or punitive measures they take. That's why the only TRUE solution for the "professional" (i.e. money-making) artists is to stay on their toes, keep creating new works and keep trying new things. /rant

I concur with you dude, I mean, u cannot do nothing to prevent peep to download ur music, and I actually dont care, I feel happy because means someone likes my music, plus if the album is really good people will buy it, this is good because will encourage producers to do better stuff, I mean, I am not going to buy a full cd just because one track rock's, but if the overal album is good, of course .
Plus musicians needs to find other ways to survive just than selling tracks, giving concerts, master classes, etc, actually I was reading some articles and a lot of bands gain more money giving concerts than selling cd's .
Kopi =o.
Kopi =o.

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But mainly the reason I want to get signed is so I can get my music into the world without being duplicated and copied in p2p land.


I mean, itd be great that everyone would have my track on p2p, but it will be almost like, I produced and spent hours on this track for nothing. To improve music you need more tools which cost tons of money.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak actually I was reading some articles and a lot of bands gain more money giving concerts than selling cd's . Kopi =o. Kopi =o.

Oh of course, an artist gets real money with presentations, unless all your productions are hits. Since labels pay the artis (in most cases) just a small percentage of the total accumulate royalties. With live presentations is waaaayyyy different.

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Originally posted by PDM Oh of course, an artist gets real money with presentations, unless all your productions are hits. Since labels pay the artis (in most cases) just a small percentage of the total accumulate royalties. With live presentations is waaaayyyy different.

True, who set sup the concerts tho?? The producer/dj or the label?

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Originally posted by Bigmmike True, who set sup the concerts tho?? The producer/dj or the label?

Depends on both, is not liek u think bro, is not like in the movies where a label signs u up and u get vidoes, physicall cd's, fame! U need to promobate urself, go to the festivals near ur place, send them demos, etc .
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Yea thats true...

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Just an update.
I've gotten a few responses so far from the 150+ lables I sent out to, there all saying the same thing. They really enjoyed my tracks and they said there great and all, but they dont sign my style.

Id like to know, what is my style??? I've asked back the labels and they just sayin they dont know.

(http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/e...icaproducer.htm)

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Don't take this the wrong way, but from my experience with labels I know that when they say you're not "their style" it's just a nice way of saying they don't want you.

I listened to the first tune on your SoundClick page and I must say I wouldn't sign it either. You have a very distinct software sound in all your synths, they're very thin and lifeless. You also have way too much high-end in everything, it's really killing my ears... especially with headphones.

Your melodies sound good but the production part still sounds very amateurish. I do not personally think your stuff is quite "mature" enough yet to be released, to be honest.

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Well, if you really want to know why no label is interested in your tracks at the moment i can give you some advice. Your music has some nice elements, but it is just not the high quality they are looking for. You have to learn some more things and you definatly have to work on your structure and overall soundquality. I've listened to some of your tracks and i think you know how to make a nice melody, now focus on the structure and soundquality, that are the most important things that lacks in your tracks. So, listen to some of the great tranceartist and learn! At the moment your skills are not good enough to have an official release.

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Thanks for the advice, thats what I needed to hear. Who would do the mastering tho??? the label or the producer?

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Originally posted by Bigmmike But mainly the reason I want to get signed is so I can get my music into the world without being duplicated and copied in p2p land. I mean, itd be great that everyone would have my track on p2p, but it will be almost like, I produced and spent hours on this track for nothing. To improve music you need more tools which cost tons of money.

It's a misunderstood function that p2p has nowadays I think. Everybody seems to afraid of it, yet it would be incredibly hyporcritical to think your track will never ever be shared in any form - regardless of it being released.

If my earlier tracks (those still weren't my very first) didn't get shared I think a whole bunch of people would not have heard it and be happy to keep it - what would have made me happy in the first place. Alot of people get noticed by sharing a couple of tracks first so people can already get used to their sound as well.

If you only send it to labels and nobody wants it, you still have only a very select group of people that will have heard your track and it'll just sit there on your hd doing nothing. You even won't get some valuable feedback from friends and other produces on the musical and productional value of the track as a whole.

Of course, I don't want to discourage you to not send anything to labels - by all means do so! I only thought it you just started I wouldn't worry about that straight away.

Cheers,
Wim

PS: DigiNut, I hope my opinion is a bit more clear for you now

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