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metalgearsolid
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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
You know, I actually think St_Andrew does know more about America than you!

But you don't know more about the US than I do!
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslis" I think you got that from a NEO-Con wake up u stupid bastard!

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Vlad
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But you don't know more about the US than I do!
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslis" I think you got that from a NEO-Con wake up u stupid bastard!



I need to wake up? Right. Tell me, when was the last time you saw a non-muslim terrorist?

Lets stop pussy footing around the truth already.


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metalgearsolid
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I need to wake up? Right. Tell me, when was the last time you saw a non-muslim terrorist?

Lets stop pussy footing around the truth already.

would you consider gangsters as terrorists since they terrorize the neighborhoods they live in? Oh and what about the utah bomber or the oklahoma bombing? Were they muslims and was that not a terrorist action?

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Vlad
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quote:
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would you consider gangsters as terrorists since they terrorize the neighborhoods they live in? Oh and what about the utah bomber or the oklahoma bombing? Were they muslims and was that not a terrorist action?



Utah and Oklahoma was a different purpose, and it was just 1 person. As for gangsters, there are so many illegal things that police departments do to push down on them - and we should take those measures against all other threats to our home.

God states in the 6th commandment "Thou shall not Kill" and in the Quran, "Slay the Idol worshippers wherever you find them" (Because they refuse to worship Allah).

metal, are you an idol worshipper? If so than to them, you should be killed - and here you are defending them.


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George Smiley
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Originally posted by Vlad
This is something that my friends father said...

"Not all Muslim's are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim."

What do you think?

Bollox is what I think to that!

Ever heard of the IRA? The Loyalist terrorist groups in Northern Ireland as well? ETA from Spain? The fact that half the terrorist groups in Palestine are not Muslim? The dozens of militias in America? The anti-abortionists also of America? Animal rights activists?

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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Bollox is what I think to that!

Ever heard of the IRA? The Loyalist terrorist groups in Northern Ireland as well? ETA from Spain?


I was talking about in America specifically.

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
The fact that half the terrorist groups in Palestine are not Muslim?


Maybe they werent born Muslim, but most, if not all, of them have converted, why? Because non-worshippers would be killed.

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
The dozens of militias in America? The anti-abortionists also of America? Animal rights activists?


Every country has its political activists that do things to get their points across.

"Christianity and Judaism too have their own share of bad things. But they pale in comparison to the deeds of Islam. Islam in the name of religion have killed more people that all of the other religions put together. Even as late as 1915, Turkey was 30% christian. So what happened to them? They were taken and dumped in huge pits and buried alive. Many others were loaded inside barges and sank in the Mediterrean sea. A total of 1.8 million christians were killed. Reason - They were non-Muslim. Again consider this, Pakistan had 23% Hindus, Christians and Sikhs as late as 1977. 23 years later, the non-Muslims number 3%. What has happened to the rest 20%? Killed, Molested, Forcibly Converted. A few have been lucky to escape to India. In my own state Kashmir(India), the plight of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) is well known. They have been gunned down for not converting to Islam. This is the true essence of Islam. This is the reason also why there is a mad rush among Kashmiri's for Christianity i.e. From the Sword to Peace. As in 2005, the number of hidden muslim believers in Christ in Kashmir was estimated to be about 30,000 apart from the 30,000 traditional christians. i.e. A 50,000 increment in the last 15 years."


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Originally posted by Vlad
I was talking about in America specifically.

No you weren't stop bull shitting

quote:
Maybe they werent born Muslim, but most, if not all, of them have converted, why? Because non-worshippers would be killed.

Didn't you listen?! I said STOP bull shitting!

And if you want to come out with crap like that a link is generally considered appropriate...

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Vlad
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Originally posted by George Smiley
No you weren't stop bull shitting


Didn't you listen?! I said STOP bull shitting!

And if you want to come out with crap like that a link is generally considered appropriate...



Why would I be talking about other nations?

Theres no link to it, its part of a review from a book. If youd like to see the full review Ill post it.
Edit: Let me rephrase, there is a link but its bunched in with alot of other reviews.


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Why would I be talking about other nations?

Well, obviously it's news to you but terrorism actually happens outside of America as well...

quote:
Theres no link to it, its part of a review from a book. If youd like to see the full review Ill post it.
Edit: Let me rephrase, there is a link but its bunched in with alot of other reviews.

So this magical link proves that all Palestinian terrorists are Muslims does it?

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Vlad
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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Well, obviously it's news to you but terrorism actually happens outside of America as well...


So this magical link proves that all Palestinian terrorists are Muslims does it?



I know it happens else where, as per the quote stating how the terrorists slaughter non-muslims.

Read it and believe what you want.

The book is called, "Prophet of Doom : Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words"

This is the book that changed my life. I am extremely grateful to the author for writing this book and saving my soul from eternal damnation. God is not hatred, He is love. He is not a Jihadi, He is a Savior. He does not tell to kill, but to forgive. His heaven is not a place of all sorts of perversions but a place of peace, truth and love. I give 10 out of 10 for this book and salute the author and the publisher for bringing out this book. It will save the souls and lives of many more muslims from eternal damnation.

Before I go any further, a word or two about perception. Everyone thinks that what he/she believes is true; What others believe is immaterial or incorrect. But the fact remains that out of the 4 major religions - Judaism/Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Athetism/Communism, only one is true. Believing in one, automatically makes the others false. People might not realize this; but it is precisely this mutual exclusion principle that holds. There is another group which states that all worship the same God, even though the paths of worship are different. They compare God to a mountain top and religion to different paths to get there. Is this is so, then why do our holy books contradict one another. Which is true - Killing/Jihad will get us to Heaven(Islam) or Forgiving(Christianity), Reincarnation(Hinduism) or Resurrection(Christianity), Man is God(Hinduism) or God became Man(Christianity), There is a God(Religion) or there is no God(Athetism), Idol worship is the greatest sin on Earth(Christianity) or God wants all Idol Worshippers killed(Islam) or Idol worship is the path to God(Hinduism). This diffence is one thing that Craig Winn brings out in his book.

Reading some of the reviews over here amazes me. Fellow Muslims (and some Ladies married to Muslims) are trying to defend Islam saying that it is fastest growing religion. Does fastest growing mean that it is not bad? Islam is fastest growing because it is concentrated in the underdeveloped tropical regions where the population is multiplying faster than rabbits. Conversion wise, the number of people who become Muslims (mostly ladies married to muslims are forced to convert) are slightly greater than the people who leave the religion. If conversion is an issue, then know this - Every year about 2,000 Kashmiri Muslims become Christian. In Iran, the figure is 15,000 per year. In Indonesia, it is 30,000 per year.
The above reasoning on the part of muslims reminds me of the Quran where the fact that birds can fly, the existence of the sky and heaven etc are used to prove that Allah exists!! This is the height of Foolishness. Craig Winn has nicely highlighted this in his book.

Fellow Muslims like to fool themselves by saying that the God of the Muslims is same as the God of the Jews and the Christians. Is this true? Consider the following (extracted from Craig Winns Book):

1. The essence of the Bible is the 10 commandments. Where are 10 commandments in the Quran? The Apostle of Allah broke every one of the 10 commandments.

2. Is it possible that God who states in the 6th commandment "Thou shall not Kill" will say in the Quran, "Slay the Idol worshippers wherever you find them"? (Because they refuse to worship Allah). No this comes from Satan.

3. Is it possible that the God who promised Isreal through Abraham "I will bless thee who blesses you and curse thee who curses you" will say through Muhammad "Kill any Jew who falls in your Power" and "The Bestial transformation occured when Allah converted the Jews into Apes"?

4. The Bible was written by 46 people over 1200 centuries, yet none of the verses are abrogated(cancelled out), while the Quran which is the work of a Man has lot of verses abrogated out even though it was revealed over a period of only 20 years. Reminds me of the verse from the Bible "God is not a man, that he may be threatened; neither is he as the son of man, that he should be WAVERING"(Judith 8:16). The Quran is not the work of God, but of Man.

5. The Quran has satanic verses in it. How did they land there if the Quran is the work of God and Muhammad is the greatest prophet?

6. The Quran claims that Jihad is the only sure way to reach Allah's paradise. Killing is a sure shot way in Judaism/Christianity to reach Satan's paradise. Does this mean that Allah and Satan are the same? Because YAHWEH claims in the Bible "For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings" (Hosea 6:6)

7. Allah wants to be feared, Yahweh wants to be loved. Allah wants all Muslims who leave their religion like me killed. But Yahweh is all about free will.

8. Allah has created woman as pleasure things for Man, Yahweh has created woman as a equal partner for Man.

Being an ex-muslim and knowing the Quran and the Bible in and out, I can state that what Craig Winn has written is true. He does not mince words. He calls a spade a spade. The world needs more of such people. Like Craig Winn, People like Socrates and Jesus too had to suffer because of such Truthful behaviour.

Reading the Hadiths/Sunnah gives the clearcut picture of Muhammad. He is what Craig Winns calls him in his book... Problem is most fellow muslims have never even seen the Hadiths, forget about reading them. And the Quran is a mystery of its own. Most of the verses in the Quran are open ended, leaving a lot to guesswork, unlike the Bible. Out of 6000 odd verses, only 700 can be understood in their entirety. Out of the rest, another 1200 are completely beyond the understanding of man. Only Allah can understand them.(Quran 3:7).

Whats more, Muhammad's great commandment is "If a Muslim leaves his religion, then kill him". Isa Al-Masih's(Jesus) great commandment was "Love one another and pray for those who persecute you". Can there be any comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. One is life, the other death.
The word Muslim means "True Believer" or "Believer of the True Religion". As True Believers, I will advise all Muslims to read this book by Craig Winn with an unbaised mind. (Most of the Muslims who have written the one star reviews have not read Craig Winn's book). I am sure you will leave Islam like I did 1 year back. This books correctly depicts Muhammad as a thief, a raider, a pervert and whatever the Hadiths describes him as. But most importantly you will realize that Muhammad is what I have come to believe - Allah himself.

Christianity and Judaism too have their own share of bad things. But they pale in comparison to the deeds of Islam. Islam in the name of religion have killed more people that all of the other religions put together. Even as late as 1915, Turkey was 30% christian. So what happened to them? They were taken and dumped in huge pits and buried alive. Many others were loaded inside barges and sank in the Mediterrean sea. A total of 1.8 million christians were killed. Reason - They were non-Muslim. Again consider this, Pakistan had 23% Hindus, Christians and Sikhs as late as 1977. 23 years later, the non-Muslims number 3%. What has happened to the rest 20%? Killed, Molested, Forcibly Converted. A few have been lucky to escape to India. In my own state Kashmir(India), the plight of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) is well known. They have been gunned down for not converting to Islam. This is the true essence of Islam which Craig Winn brings out in his book. This is the reason also why there is a mad rush among Kashmiri's for Christianity i.e. From the Sword to Peace. As in 2005, the number of hidden muslim believers in Christ in Kashmir was estimated to be about 30,000 apart from the 30,000 traditional christians. i.e. A 50,000 increment in the last 15 years.

The greatness of a religion is seen in the behaviour of its people. As you sow, you shall reap. It is just a cause and effect relationship. In every Islamic country there is hell. Look at countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and even Kashmir. The Kafirs(Infidels - Non Muslims) have been wiped clean by the Muslims. The life of non-muslims in these countries is worse than the life of Dogs and swines. Islam is not about Heaven, it is about Hell; not about life, it is about death. I once again salute Craig Winn for bringing out this book. Hats off to him. I recommend everyone - muslim or non-muslim who is in seach of the true to purchase this book. It is a must have.

An Ex-Muslim
Haroon Rasheed,
Kashmir, India.


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metalgearsolid
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he might be an ex-muslim but hes still a neo-con working for the republicans.

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You're off yer ed mate!

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