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Originally posted by Spacey Orange i hardly think that one or several cd titles with "EBM" a genre make.

then you know nothing.

Just because you don't pay attention to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


PS: No, I mean it. You really DO know nothing.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Trance should not remotely sound like Industrial, or any other genre that is often coupled with Industrial. That would be a disgrace to the edm scene as a whole.

Wrong.

Trance came from EBM/New Beat more than anything else. It's roots lie completely in the realm of the industrial ethos.

What's disgraceful is you don't know that.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Wrong. Trance came from EBM/New Beat more than anything else. It's roots lie completely in the realm of the industrial ethos.

Wrong? Where did you catch sight of me making an informed statement? I averred an opinion, nothing more. I couldn't give 3 shits as to where its******* roots lie.

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What's disgraceful is you don't know that.

Perhaps you should take notice that none of my posts in this thread, nor any other, is apropos of a certain style's or genre's origin. If I wanted to know what burgeoned from what, and when Trance originated, etc, I would avail myself to do so. But instead, I listen to what I like, and if I care to know it's history, I make it a point edify myself. So, to be concise, your retort to my statement is wholly impertinent and serves no use to me whatever.

you can say whatever you want, it still makes you wrong.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Rammstein Rob Zombie Nine Inch Nails

Please...just stop. Calling them industrial is like calling 50 cent true hip hop. Lurk the Discogs forums for a while, maybe you can learn something.

...and thank you kindly for the genious statement. I has completly destroyed my internet ego, man.

Oh, and stop relying on Ishkur's music guide, because those names came straight from it.

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I have alot of respect for industrial bands. I love Laibach and Covenant (They're actually one of my favourite bands all around) oh and KMFD are great too! That list was tops man!

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LoL.. this is great. Suddenly everyones an industrial expert. Have we completely bagged the shit out of trance to the point where we are laying into industrial now?

Fukn Trent Reznor... fukn trainwrecks 'n' shit

I dont know whats gayer... the current state of trance or the fact that industrial bands wear make up... shit, I'm so confused.

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I could start ragging on psy, its just as fucking repetative.

I enjoy a healthy dose of repitition personally. One doesnt get into trance music if they don't like repitition, trance is repitition, without it there would be no trance. I guess that doesnt appeal to everybody though, you certainly don't get into trance if you are looking for variety.

This thread really had a promising start, people were being helpful and informative, actual artist recomendations, an attempt to identify the title of the specific sound that I was enjoying, but then the usual suspects came in to have yet another dick measuring contests over who knows the most about music, bleh.

How about we continue to mention more of this music that falls under the industrial umbrella yet sounds like trance music would sound if it had never forked in that fluffy direction, evil sounding trance music is great fun but evidently that used to be called industrial or EBM or something. I know none of you will bother with the being helpful, it seems to be in our nature to argue over pointless topics like where trance came from and where the style fits in our silly genre trees.

But thanks to the people who have contributed useful information, I rarely am able to squeeze this much good information out of you monkeys.

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Originally posted by Linden Flowers I could start ragging on psy, its just as fucking repetative.

Uh... just as repedative as pretty much all other forms of EDM. What the fucks psy got to do with this discussion anyway? I thought it was about industrial or industrial sounding trance to be more specific. Shit lets bring up tek house while were at it

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 How about we continue to mention more of this music that falls under the industrial umbrella yet sounds like trance music would sound if it had never forked in that fluffy direction, evil sounding trance music is great fun but evidently that used to be called industrial or EBM or something.

Fluffy trance doesnt really have any roots in industrial really so not surprising it doesnt share many elements. Early goa was influenced by it a bit but thats a different brand of category bullshit in itself. Uplifting/fluffy is more from the european club scene as far as I know and derived much more from house and rave music. Completely different audience if you think about it catering for opposite end of the emotional spectrum compared to industrial.

If you want to see what happens when these two genres crossbreed, check out Future Pop. Thats some scary shit. Angsty goth poetry recited over eurotrash supersaw melodies. If it wasnt so rediculous it would have died a dead already. Check out VnV Nation for starters. Think DJ Sammy meets the Cure... oh the hilarity

Probably not what your after considering you want good industrial trance, but its important to see the bad side of things too...

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Just to recap on what Axolotyl said, Futurepop... think steve balmer reciting poetry on stage while dancing around like a tool, it's scary stuff, although VNV Nation takes it to the extreme.

As for the industrial discussion, one element that seems to be overlooked in this discussion is that a lot of the industrial artists being discussed tend to produce one or two tracks on their albums which can actually be played at clubs / radio. People seem to be taking the tracks they hear on the radio / clubs as an example of all industrial. This is not the case.

Most 'industrial' is not fashionable to play at a club, as it often contains erratic BPM changes, and harsh progression which makes it rather impossible to dance to. Thus you tend to hear the faster Industrial tracks played at clubs, but if you were to follow up on the artists, you would find a lot of the industrial music extremely different.

To give some examples of common club industrial music, off the top of my head...

Noise Unit - Hollow Ground
Laibach - Tanz Mit
Front 242 - Religion (Bass under prodigy Siege Mix)
Front Line Assembly - Plasticity
Front Line Assembly - Columbian Necktie
Cubanate - Oxyacetylene
Dulce Liquido - Disolucion
Project Pitchfork - Existence
Suicide Commando - Hellrazor
God Module - Ressurection

If you give these songs a listen, they all share vary trance like elements albiet darker and generally slower. However, the rest of the music by these artists will sound quite different to these tracks.

On another note, people seem to have trouble distincting between Industrial and EBM. Allow me to offer some examples to clarify.

EBM examples:
Apoptygma Bezerk
Assemblage 23
Bebon Beton
Covenant
Devision
Echo Image
Colony 5
Icon of Coil
Lost Signal
Neurotic Fish

Industrial examples:
Combichrist
C-Tec
Cubanate
Dulce Liquido
Fear Factory
Front 242
Front Line Assembly
Hocico
Laibach
Ministry
Pig
Suicide Commando

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