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Originally posted by Superstring I call this one. Care to provide some test benchmarks? Don't tell me that if I sit in a buick and drive 50Km on a street and 50Km on a highway, it will return better mileage than the same in the 2004 accord. If you're cooking up specific tests for it to return better mileage, sure.. but in real life, Accord (even with auto tranny and 3.0 240 hp engine) will outdo it. -Roman

You can call me all you want. OBVIOUSLY if both cars were drivin the same way, the Accord would fare better.
But he drives it like a maniac. I drive mine pure chillin most of the time, while booting it for fun sometimes.

My point was that even a high output V8 can return good milage under normal driving conditions. Sorry for the poor wording.





And Cale, NICE CHOICE my friend. One of my cousins had a Road Runner back when they were new. He got drunk and drove it into a house LOL
Personaly, I'd want a 1969 Corvette Stingray with the 427 L-88 option (alluminum heads and high compression) mated to the Rock Crusher 4-speed. I'm just a bigger fan of the G.M.s back then. But I wont deny the mopars were the fastest out there.



Look at them purdy side pipes. Factory option too.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Not a snowball's chance in hell of it coming out.

your coming out

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Well I do prefer Mopar. '70 Superbird please, painted Plum Crazy/In Violet Metallic (aka. Statutory Grape), or Sassy Grass Green. [IMG]

mmmmm love the high impact color names for the 70's chryslers , lemon twist, limelight, plum crazy panther pink, go mango, hemi orange , and how they had 2 sets of names fot the same colours for plymouth and dodge
totally agree about the superbird , although make mine the daytona please
or a hemi cuda convertible

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Originally posted by Supaphlie Chyrsler is one of them, I've got a 96 Camaro Z28 - 5.7L 6spd. i've de-tuned the engine (programming mods) and im pulling 650-700+ kms on a 55 L tank. i drive it normally on premium gas. (although its mainly Highway Kms) i can drive in 6th gear @ 120kph while at 1,500rpm (almost idle) and still have the power there to pass without having to gear down. I only spend apprx $250 on gas a month. And the advantage Muscle cars have over civic's & other rice rockets you have the power when you need it. i never have to rev my engine over 2000 rpm (for normal driving) everyone i know who has a civic or import has to rev the crap out of the engine to get it going and from stalling out. Im not putting down compacts in any way. they're fun to drive, a lot better on gas. but i like my "big" cars.

Yes i agree, chrysler has improved a lot and it mainly has to do with mercedes. Chrysler has done better while mercs have gone down. ahaha

as for you LT1 pulling down that much gas mileage all the time. Im not sure i beleive that no matter what kind of tuning you do. (even if you leaned the crap out of it)

civics and rice rockets have power when you need it...you just have to be in the right gear . revving your enigne means jack shit really. most of the rice rockets have shorter gear ratios. so it may take your car 2 secs to get to 2000 rpm in 2nd gear... meanwhile those 2 secs im at 4000 rpm etc.

sure you got more torque(much bigger motor) but dont exagerate the output of the smallr motors. i certainley dont have to rev the crap out my car for it to move. 1000-1500 rev, let the clutch out and off she goes. i could even let the clutch out without any gas and itll still move.
rev to 3000 ish and shift. guys with big motors are always afraid of a few revs like its gonna hurt...or just cause it takes their car a while to get to 4000 rpm they think itll be the same on the smaller engined car...no its called gear ratios!


anyways, both ways of going forward in a car work. the smaller motors get better mileage . its just the way it goes.


id also take most mopars over older gm's... *barf* on old gm's.

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Originally posted by techead and how they had 2 sets of names fot the same colours for plymouth and dodge

Mopar’s 1970 model year “High Impact” exterior colors:
(option code - Dodge/Chrysler-Plymouth)

FC7 - Plum Crazy Metallic/In Violet Metallic (nicknamed “Statutory Grape”)
FJ5 - Sublime/Lime Light
FJ6 - Green Go/Sassy Grass Green
EK2 - Go Mango/Vitamin “C” Orange
FM3 - Panther Pink/Moulon Rouge
V2 - Hemi Orange/Tor Red
FY1 - Top Banana/Lemon Twist

sweet ride!

I am trying to find the pic of my old drinking buddies 71 challenger
awsome car 71 R/T convertible 383 with the pistol grip shifter, rally pack rally II rims plum crazy with white interior
he sold it for $10,000 back in the early nineties and considering that the last of the 71 convertible hemis recently went for $4,000,000 I don't even want to think what it could be worth now

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Originally posted by Euphorica as for you LT1 pulling down that much gas mileage all the time. Im not sure i beleive that no matter what kind of tuning you do. (even if you leaned the crap out of it) civics and rice rockets have power when you need it...you just have to be in the right gear . revving your enigne means jack shit really. most of the rice rockets have shorter gear ratios. so it may take your car 2 secs to get to 2000 rpm in 2nd gear... meanwhile those 2 secs im at 4000 rpm etc. sure you got more torque(much bigger motor) but dont exagerate the output of the smallr motors. i certainley dont have to rev the crap out my car for it to move. 1000-1500 rev, let the clutch out and off she goes. i could even let the clutch out without any gas and itll still move. rev to 3000 ish and shift. guys with big motors are always afraid of a few revs like its gonna hurt...or just cause it takes their car a while to get to 4000 rpm they think itll be the same on the smaller engined car...no its called gear ratios! id also take most mopars over older gm's... *barf* on old gm's.

if you picked up on the note that said "mainly hwy Kms" you should have gotten the point. the adjustments i made to the engine involve fuel delivery, engine temp (cooler than OEM) ignition timing curve (for lower RPM's. - Idle speed @ 500) depending on ambient temperature and limited the amount of EGR circulation within the system. - i had taken the car in last Jan '04 for an E-test, and the recordings were the lowest i've ever seen.

my normal mileage before making these changes was approx 450 km's per 55L tank. same driving as i do now.

for the note i made on "revving the crap" I dont mean redlining... the sound of a bogged down engine gasping for life is a sound that i hear too often. and you know what im talking about.

I am aware about gear ratio's - a 4cyl is designed to run at higher RPM's, not only for optimal performance, but due to mechanical fatique because they cant produce suffient torque at low rev's.

Guys with big engines being afraid of a few rev's??? Euphorica you have never truly driven a muscle car have you?? three things.. #1 big engines have loads of torque at low rev's and ass loads more at higher rev's. #2 just because the engine is big doesn't mean it has to be driven hard all the time. #3 - might as well just punch a hole in the gas tank.

I can respect anyone who can get they're hands dirty and tune a car properly - any make, any year. but not those who think they just bold on a few aftermarket parts and they think they're a pro.

take it to the track! bring money!!

I work for a company that deals with R&D and testing for practically every industry in the world. I've been in projects for GM, Ford, D.Chyrsler, Panoz, Lotus, MG, Crest, Honda, Toyota, Rover, Mercedes, Lexus, VW etc.... and ive tested these for SBR's, durability, enviromental, driveability and performance tests where they get beaten. and to be honest, they're all crap! all mfg's have gotten cheap with building cars, that they're not really worth keeping.

Unless you have alot of cash to burn, just buy a car your happy with that gets you from "A" to "B"

ive seen too many "done up" cars fall apart within months.. I just don't care anymore.