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Originally posted by FSUares the record companies are gonna start trying to keep ckecks on who is using thier music. I'm sure when vinyl dies out people are just gonna let their songs be played everywhere for free.Those companies are not gonan sit aorund and go bankrupt. They are gonna make sure you are paying for thier music. As fun as DJing is....it is still a JOB for the pro's. I know some guys get payed around $20k for some gigs (rumored Deep Dish at Space Miami) but they still need to make money off the tracks they produce. If you think producers are not trying stop people from playing un-licensed tracks in a club you are ignorant. That is my two cents

The way it works right now, and I do not see this changing anytime soon ( who knows ) at least in the US is clubs having to play flat monthly or whatever fees to ASCAP. ASCAP redistributes royalties according to the charts I believe, and there's basically no tracking method at least not at this stage.

that's a really interesting train of thought that I should quit if I dont want to keep a paper trail of receipts, but really goes against the convenience that is being touted by the very same industry.
Should i also have to throw out every possession that I don't have a receipt for? I can't really prove I didn't steal my dining room table without referring to 8 year old credit card statements. exactly the same issue.
don't the copyright holders have to prove that you don't have a right to the product? How will they prove that people didn't pay for the product when there is no phyical product? implant licence codes in the files perhaps?

im gonna be straight up honest and say it out.

i am a shitty producer and a dj, and i download from anywhere including beatport, dancetunes, djdownloads...

lately im in a bad financial situation, so i dont have the power i had to purchase music, and i can honestly say i DL some tracks without paying. i consider this good and bad.

it gives me the opportunity to listen to the music i like whenever i want, esepcially here in the US, where they dont play this type of music. i do feel bad that im listening to the songs so many times in a matter of 6 minutes each when the artists spent months to make it. i do feel bad about it, i know how long it takes to make such songs.

it is useful, i practice mixing with these tracks, whether downloaded by $ or not.

Conclusion: when i was financially capable to buy, i was buying it. now i buy some, i search others.

BUT! I DONT DISTRIBUTE anything i download. i listen to them, burn them, and play them on my car the most. i just keep them to myself.

i know alot are gonna be against me, but atleast i am honest. do i feel guilty? a bit. but i do support them otherwise, like attending to their gigs, and if im capable of buying again, i would. u wont apreciate things like this unless you start making music or get involved in music somehow which we all are.

even tiesto admitted he downloaded back in the days, he refered to downloading illegally as 'love hate relationship'. it benefits you once, and then wouldnt.

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Originally posted by tubby that's a really interesting train of thought that I should quit if I dont want to keep a paper trail of receipts, but really goes against the convenience that is being touted by the very same industry. Should i also have to throw out every possession that I don't have a receipt for? I can't really prove I didn't steal my dining room table without referring to 8 year old credit card statements. exactly the same issue. don't the copyright holders have to prove that you don't have a right to the product? How will they prove that people didn't pay for the product when there is no phyical product? implant licence codes in the files perhaps?

It's really not my problem if someone like you prefers to ignore the fact that you are the only one who is responsible of what you are playing.

If you prefer to play around with "words" or meanings of certain things you really don't want to face the reality of the situation.

Speaking of let's say a dining table. Take the case your house burns down, you try and make an insurance claim. Let's say this table was a special collectors item worth 50 000 $. Well if you aren't able to prove the value of the table, the item will just be reimbursed at a standard item rate ( a mere fraction of the real cost ), at least that's my assumption.
So in a sense yes it is the same issue.


You think that a musical copyright organization will care and believe you when you simply say oh yeah I paid for the mp3s I'm playing? .... haha.
( ps these organizations are sharks and when they go after people it's the one being pursued that has to bend over backwards not them ).

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Originally posted by jdat It's really not my problem if someone like you prefers to ignore the fact that you are the only one who is responsible of what you are playing. If you prefer to play around with "words" or meanings of certain things you really don't want to face the reality of the situation. Speaking of let's say a dining table. Take the case your house burns down, you try and make an insurance claim. Let's say this table was a special collectors item worth 50 000 $. Well if you aren't able to prove the value of the table, the item will just be reimbursed at a standard item rate ( a mere fraction of the real cost ), at least that's my assumption. So in a sense yes it is the same issue. You think that a musical copyright organization will care and believe you when you simply say oh yeah I paid for the mp3s I'm playing? .... haha. ( ps these organizations are sharks and when they go after people it's the one being pursued that has to bend over backwards not them ).

If you had a 50,000 dollar table i'm sure youd have gotten it appraised to get that figure and to insure, because 50K is a lot of money.

With mp3s i find the lines a little more blurred...

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Originally posted by dinoXpress If you had a 50,000 dollar table i'm sure youd have gotten it appraised to get that figure and to insure, because 50K is a lot of money. With mp3s i find the lines a little more blurred...

What's there not to understand?

Ok there isn't a direct link with playing mp3s and a 50k table but when you consider the fines one can get for playing illegit mp3s it's not impossible to have to pay a fine up to the value of that table if not more

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Originally posted by jdat What's there not to understand? Ok there isn't a direct link with playing mp3s and a 50k table but when you consider the fines one can get for playing illegit mp3s it's not impossible to have to pay a fine up to the value of that table if not more

True. I'm with you.

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