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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I am concerned about the Liberals change in philosophy regarding spending over the last few months. The Liberal party is now -truely- a liberal gov't - on social issues and now on fiscal issues. For the last 12 years, they've (the Liberals) been socially liberal but fiscally conservative. The last few months - they've spent like a typical Liberal would. ------ Social liberalism is something I advocate. Fiscal liberalism is something I despise. So the question is: Vote for the separatist-supporting Conservatives or the spend-happy Liberals? Tough coice.

I think Martin has had a major role in that for sure......as a business minded rightwing liberal.


and for the record - almost every post that RJ posts about the government - I very much agree.


I was a young Liberal for 4 years (1986-1990) and do follow politics as well.


As much whining of corruption within this Liberal government by non-liberal supporters - it began in corporations under a Conservative (BIG BUSINESS alliance) in the 80's with big money and excess expenditures; cooked books/deceit and forgeries - if conservatives advocated such "BUSINESS CORRUPTION" in the 80's why would it be any different if the Conservatives had the BUSINESS of running the "Government corporation"??

Groundwork was layed for a cult of corporate shananigans and lies (simultaniously as well with the USA) and therefor it has sickeningly become commonplace for this to continue because we are unable to breakdown these big business/corp set ups and start again with more transparency and lawful practises.

I think the Liberals should use these examples of insider favourtism and greased palms to implement changes that the public will go for.

Create more transparancy - hold more accountability. It may hurt them as well as party....(reformatting)obviously because the track already laid is easier to travel. But they have a real opportunity to make a change for the better.

If only we had a Prime Minister as GUTSY as Bush for striking a major cord within the country. HAHA maybe in a way Cretien/Martin have - distrust because of dirty business dealings.

While Bush hostages his country below with Conservative thought and policy - we have the ability to rise above such restraints and counteract with a visionary LIBERAL change of our political climate.

Economy will always be important to Canada but the needs of the diverse group of people we call Canadians can only be met with a Liberal policy in many ways - Canadian demographics and foundations have changed quite drastically over the last 2 decades and a culutural diversity can only flourish within a changing structure encompassing new ideas and relationships. Conservatism is like Grandma - very nice because of the consistency of product put forth but often outdated and lacking modern social ideals that are inclusive to all people.

My 2 cents.......

I did basically just wanna agree with RJ - as previously stated - I meant to post with agreement as few times actually.....the fact I feel compelled to type this now......UGHH!!!.....sorry.

I am groaning at this next election campaign. I really hope some REAL CHANGE comes of this within the Liberal party and they use us (voters) to make things more forward thinking and create radical change for the better long term. Young people need to be more involved!!!!!! Hello TA?????? YOU!!!!! SO IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!

The Liberal party does have the perfect opportunity to redeem itself - I hope they use it.

But I fear Martin must leave for this to truly happen.


I personally have more recognized rights as an individual because of a Liberal government. I will forever be grateful for this. We vote to reflect our own desire of individualistic govermental ruling upon us. I have always felt more secure with forward thinking ideas - the world is not what it was yesterday nor will it be the same tomorrow. Stagnation means death.

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Last edited by Sean Cassidy on Nov-29-2005 at 08:04